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Cadet57 wrote:I'm not a racist. I'll ask you again. How is being redneck a race? You arent a different color.

Does or does not the term refer specifically to one ethicity?

Don't worry, you already admitted it does.

So, we have a pejorative term, applicable to only one ethnicity of people... and this isn't racist to you? Yet Porch Monkey is? How does that work?

FWIW, the last time I heard the terms "wetback" and "porch monkey" was in 1977 during ethnic sensativity class in high school.

PA110 wrote:I don't think the term redneck can be construed as racist, that's just my personal opinion. While all rednecks are white, not all whites are rednecks, and therein lies the difference. Racial slurs usually apply across the board to encompass all members of that race, where as the term redneck is more specific to geographic location and socio-economic standing.

Agreed! But rednecks can be pretty rich too, and I bet a lot of of 'rednecks' would take a degree of pride in the term too.

Mark wrote:FWIW, the last time I heard the terms "wetback" and "porch monkey" was in 1977 during ethnic sensativity class in high school.

1977? You sure it wasn't a Chevy Chase/Richard Pryor SNL skit?

jpetekUA777 wrote:

PA110 wrote:I don't think the term redneck can be construed as racist, that's just my personal opinion. While all rednecks are white, not all whites are rednecks, and therein lies the difference. Racial slurs usually apply across the board to encompass all members of that race, where as the term redneck is more specific to geographic location and socio-economic standing.

Agreed! But rednecks can be pretty rich too, and I bet a lot of of 'rednecks' would take a degree of pride in the term too.

Either way, it IS discriminatory. That said, black people have taken pride of the fact that being called a nigger from another black person is ok.

So like I said...

PA110 wrote: While all rednecks are white, not all whites are rednecks, and therein lies the difference.

Not all African Americans are porch monkies, nor all hispanics wetbacks, yet these terms are racist.

Mark wrote:FWIW, the last time I heard the terms "wetback" and "porch monkey" was in 1977 during ethnic sensativity class in high school.

I've heard them both and more in the last week.

I could write a very long list of colorful racist terms, some more specific to sub-cultures than others. The narrowness of their focus or their level of common usage doesn't change their racist nature.

Mark wrote:FWIW, the last time I heard the terms "wetback" and "porch monkey" was in 1977 during ethnic sensativity class in high school.

I hear "wetback" at least once a day.

GQfluffy wrote:

Mark wrote:FWIW, the last time I heard the terms "wetback" and "porch monkey" was in 1977 during ethnic sensativity class in high school.

1977? You sure it wasn't a Chevy Chase/Richard Pryor SNL skit?

Or watching Carlos Mencia?

Queso wrote:

Mark wrote:FWIW, the last time I heard the terms "wetback" and "porch monkey" was in 1977 during ethnic sensativity class in high school.

I hear "wetback" at least once a day.

Hmmmm... We just call 'em Hispanics here.

Click Click D'oh wrote:Actually, porch monkey is a term directed at a specific behavior that originates from when most black people in the south were to poor to afford air conditioning and would sit on the porches of their houses.

If you look at the literal definition of the word, you are correct. But that's not how the word is used today. It's a term used to describe a black person. That's a common sense thing. It's the same argument others have used here in the past. The argument is people can act like "niggers." But that's just not how the word is used today.

Click Click D'oh wrote:Words have meaning, learn them.

No offense, but by the posts you've made I think you know the literal definition of the words, but I don't think you understand how they are used today.

Queso wrote:That's not true at all! As an example, Certain people would use terms such as those to describe people exhibiting urban thug rapper culture but would not use those terms for people like, for instance, Clarence Gilyard Jr., Denzel Washington, and Ving Rhames.

See above reply.

Mark wrote:

Queso wrote:

Mark wrote:FWIW, the last time I heard the terms "wetback" and "porch monkey" was in 1977 during ethnic sensativity class in high school.

I hear "wetback" at least once a day.

Hmmmm... We just call 'em Hispanics here.

Why even bother with the distinction? Why can't they just be "people"? And why label the guy in the OP as a "redneck", why not just say you saw an "interesting fellow"?

davestan_ksan wrote:No offense, but by the posts you've made I think you know the literal definition of the words, but I don't think you understand how they are used today.

Ah, so it's my fault people don't know the meaning of the words they use...

What a terrible, tragic comedy we have written ourselves into...

Click Click D'oh wrote:Ah, so it's my fault people don't know the meaning of the words they use...

What a terrible, tragic comedy we have written ourselves into...

Yup. The meanings of words evolve. "Cool" replaced "hip." "Sick," or "tight" can be used as "cool" as well. Were they originally intended to mean that? Nope, not if you look up their original definition.

i know you guys are trying to play devils advocate here and try to show the hypocrisy here. The fact of the matter is that redneck is considered a pretty socially acceptable term, which we see all around from self-labelers, tv, shows, etc. It's not always sensical or fair, but that's the way it is. I certainly don't see why you'd compare it to nigger or something like that, for reasons i've stated. Wetback, porch monkey, could be more comparable. Personally, i'll find those funny in most cases and it doesnt really offend me personally. I don't really know what more you want us to say about this.

There was never in the history of the US overt discrimination againsts wetbacks or rednecks, was there?

Queso wrote:

Mark wrote:
Hmmmm... We just call 'em Hispanics here.

Why even bother with the distinction? Why can't they just be "people"? And why label the guy in the OP as a "redneck", why not just say you saw an "interesting fellow"?

I don't hear too many racial nasties spoken. It's not that I live a sheltered life, either. It's just not done. The last racial slur I heard was at a party three summers ago when someone referred to an Arab as a towelhead. The people within earshot jumped him on the use of the term. I was the outdoor cook; I just stopped offering him food.

I used the term redneck because it's not considered a derogatory term here. As I said before, it describes a behavior, not a "race" of people. And that guy was like watching a theatrical representation of a redneck. I'd never seen one before, let alone anyone flying Confederate flags in Wisconsin. Hell.... if I met someone fulfilling the common description of a New Jersey guido, I'd probably take note, too.

davestan_ksan wrote:

Click Click D'oh wrote:Ah, so it's my fault people don't know the meaning of the words they use...

Yup.

davestan_ksan wrote:The meanings of words evolve. "Cool" replaced "hip." "Sick," or "tight" can be used as "cool" as well. Were they originally intended to mean that? Nope, not if you look up their original definition.

So, if I look up "cool" in the dictionary it won't be a synonym of those other words?..... because it no longer has any meaning right?

Oh, wrong.

...just like I'm the only one that knows the true meaning of the term "Porch Monkey"?

Oh.. not so much there either.

BTW: Apple washington, car bannana fling song dog hickies.

That's okay right? Since words don't actually have meanings and all...

jpetekUA777 wrote: The fact of the matter is that redneck is considered a pretty socially acceptable term...

n. Offensive Slang

1. Used as a disparaging term for a member of the white rural laboring class, especially in the southern United States.
2. A white person regarded as having a provincial, conservative, often bigoted attitude.

Yeah, the dictionary seems to think it's not a socially acceptable term..

Unless "offensive" and "disparaging" changed meanings too...

Mark wrote:.... if I met someone fulfilling the common description of a New Jersey guido, I'd probably take note, too.

You do know that calling anybody of Italian American ancestory a Guido is extreamly offensive right? Please tell me you knew that....

Click Click D'oh wrote:
Yeah, the dictionary seems to think it's not a socially acceptable term..

Unless "offensive" and "disparaging" changed meanings too...

Yeah, go to the dictionary to find the practical application of the term in its modern usage.

jpetekUA777 wrote:Yeah, go to the dictionary to find the practical application of the term in its modern usage.

You do know they update dictionaries right?

It's not like there was one written when the English language was invented and that's all there is... well, that would be really funny, us all speaking Old English. Oddly enough, Mirriam Websters isn't even in the Queens Enlish.. It's almost as if it gets... Modernized.

What exactly are you trying to prove in this argument?

Click Click D'oh wrote:

Mark wrote:.... if I met someone fulfilling the common description of a New Jersey guido, I'd probably take note, too.

You do know that calling anybody of Italian American ancestory a Guido is extreamly offensive right? Please tell me you knew that....

Yep. However, that's why I attached a picture of the type of guido I'm referring to.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=guido

Click Click D'oh wrote:

Cadet57 wrote:I'm not a racist. I'll ask you again. How is being redneck a race? You arent a different color.

Does or does not the term refer specifically to one ethicity?

Don't worry, you already admitted it does.

So, we have a pejorative term, applicable to only one ethnicity of people... and this isn't racist to you? Yet Porch Monkey is? How does that work?

Yep. Keep playing the racist card. In case you werent sure. Let me get the definiton of racism for you:


–noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism

So, I'll ask you again. Since when is a redneck a race?