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Clock "Inventor" Ahmed A Set Up?

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Fumanchewd 19 Sep 15, 04:20Post
If mods want this in politics I understand, but it seems to be more of a news item to me.

A very interesting article that I saw on Facebook. Its from a very biased source but I feel that the evidence that it presents shows that the clock was bought and not invented, whom the student's father was (a significant muslim kook who loves to be in the news), and about his actions while in school (being ambiguous about what he had and not being forthright about questions) indicate the very likely possibility that the whole thing was a stunt for attention and a possible lawsuit.

Then Breitbart revealed that Ahmed’s father Mohamed ElHassan Mohamed, is a well-known Muslim activist and rabble-rouser, taking on Koran-burner Terry Jones, and debating radical Islam-critic Robert Spencer — neither of which has been reported by the media.

This would tend to support the contention that the Ahmed clock incident was a “setup” or “lawsuit bait” — one backed up by this Tweet put out by Mohammed:

"Going to meet my lawyer."
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Then there was the bizarre behavior of Ahmed himself when he brought his “invention” to school. After he showed it to his engineering teacher…the teacher said it resembled a bomb, and asked him not to show it to any other teachers. But Ahmed then brought it into his English class, plugged it in, set an alarm to go off, and did not mention to the teacher who felt “threatened” by it that he already showed it to the engineering teacher, and to ask him about it…which could have easily resolved the security concerns.

Police described Ahmed as being “passive aggressive” in his answers to their questions, and didn’t have a “reasonable answer” as to what he was doing with the case. Was his behavior consistent with wanting to provoke a response by Irving authorities?

Now an engineer’s blog post on Artvoice may have exposed the entire incident as a setup or hoax once and for all.

The engineer asserts that the “boy genius” Ahmed didn’t “invent” anything at all. He merely took apart an existing clock from the 1970s, and inexplicably transplanted its guts into the large pencil case he picked up off Amazon.

This individual has an engineering degree and a love for all things electronics and thought it would be cool to reverse engineer the clock built by Ahmed, because well, he’s the kind of guy who gets a kick out of doing such things.

According to him and his research, that’s when he made the discovery about Ahmed’s “invention.”

From Artvoice:

I found the highest resolution photograph of the clock I could. Instantly, I was disappointed. Somewhere in all of this – there has indeed been a hoax. Ahmed Mohamed didn’t invent his own alarm clock. He didn’t even build a clock. Now, before I go on and get accused of attacking a 14 year old kid who’s already been through enough, let me explain my purpose. I don’t want to just dissect the clock. I want to dissect our reaction as a society to the situation. Part of that is the knee-jerk responses we’re all so quick to make without facts. So, before you scroll down and leave me angry comments, please continue to the end (or not – prove my point, and miss the point, entirely!)

For starters, one glance at the printed circuit board in the photo, and I knew we were looking at mid-to-late 1970s vintage electronics. Surely you’ve seen a modern circuit board, with metallic traces leading all over to the various components like an electronic spider’s web. You’ll notice right away the highly accurate spacing, straightness of the lines, consistency of the patterns. That’s because we design things on computers nowadays, and computers assist in routing these lines. Take a look at the board in Ahmed’s clock. It almost looks hand-drawn, right? That’s because it probably was. Computer aided design was in its infancy in the 70s. This is how simple, low cost items (like an alarm clock) were designed. Today, even a budding beginner is going to get some computer aided assistance – in fact they’ll probably start there, learning by simulating designs before building them. You can even simulate or lay out a board with free apps on your phone or tablet. A modern hobbyist usually wouldn’t be bothered with the outdated design techniques. There’s also silk screening on the board. An “M” logo, “C-94” (probably, a part number – C might even stand for “clock”), and what looks like an American flag. More about that in a minute. Point for now being, a hobbyist wouldn’t silk screen logos and part numbers on their home made creation. It’s pretty safe to say already we’re looking at ’70s tech, mass produced in a factory.

So I turned to eBay, searching for vintage alarm clocks. It only took a minute to locate Ahmed’s clock. See this eBay listing, up at the time of this writing. Amhed’s clock was invented, and built, by Micronta, a Radio Shack subsidary. Catalog number 63 756.

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The shape and design is a dead give away. The large screen. The buttons on the front laid out horizontally would have been on a separate board – a large snooze button, four control buttons, and two switches to turn the alarm on and off, and choose two brightness levels. A second board inside would have contained the actual “brains” of the unit. The clock features a 9v battery back-up, and a switch on the rear allows the owner to choose between 12 and 24 hour time. (Features like a battery back-up, and a 24 hour time selection seems awful superfluous for a hobby project, don’t you think?) Oh, and about that “M” logo on the circuit board mentioned above? Micronta.

For one last bit of confirmation, I located the pencil box Ahmed used for his project. During this video interview he again claims it was his “invention” and that he “made” the device – but the important thing at the moment, at 1:13, we see him showing the pencil box on his computer screen. Here it is on Amazon, where it’s clearly labeled as being 8.25 inches wide. Our eBay seller also conveniently took a photo of the clock next to a ruler to show it’s scale – about 8 inches wide. The dimensions all line up perfectly.

So there you have it folks, Ahmed Mohamad did not invent, nor build a clock. He took apart an existing clock, and transplanted the guts into a pencil box, and claimed it was his own creation. It all seems really fishy to me.

If we accept the story about “inventing” an alarm clock is made up, as I think I’ve made a pretty good case for, it’s fair to wonder what other parts of the story might be made up, not reported factually by the media, or at least, exaggerated.


http://toprightnews.com/uh-oh-this-is-w ... ngineered/

Keep in mind that we live in a society where school shooting and threats are significant, where students wearing US flags have been suspended, and where a 7 year old student who ate a pastry into the shape of a gun was suspended.

Despite the biased source, I think given the well documented history of his father, that fact that he only placed an old clock in a new box for some illogical reason (unless it was to be provocative), and his strange actions documented by eyewitnesses, is all I need to conclude that he was looking for what he got.
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vikkyvik 19 Sep 15, 05:46Post
Can't say that reading any of that (the TopRightNews article, the Breitbart article, and the NY Daily News article) convinced me in any way that this was intended to be a bomb hoax.

Might it have been a dumb idea by a 14-year-old? Of course.

And show me a 14-year-old who isn't passive-aggressive, especially when confronted by authority figures (parents, police, whoever).

Anyway, I don't really know all the details here, nor do any of us. Right now in my mind, it's status is just "something that happened and is on the news".
Fumanchewd 19 Sep 15, 06:09Post
Sure, I really didn't pay any attention to this story other than to roll my eyes at Texas, until my friend forwarded this article to me. Now, to me the biggest red flag is the dad. He has a history of doing things to get in the news, and in my mind that is not a coincidence. That they are manipulating the system to such a degree that the President responding and people all over the world are spreading false info......

I have some muslim and hindi friends in Singapore that seem to hear these stories and then all of a sudden there is a blast of posts about racist white American people and "red necks" (interestingly a derogatory term based on the color of skin used by a Sikh friend). I do feel obligated to point out contrary points to their stereotypes just as they point out stereotypes of their people.

To me, the story didn't make sense to me. It didn't sound like we had the whole story, if it was being manipulated to make someone look better. I think the engineer made a good point that Ahmed didn't make the clock and he used substantial facts that seemed to support that opinion. Breitbart is certainly partisan but they have also broke half a dozen big stories that the major networks ignored. I look at the site with a suspicious eye, but the evidence in this seems significant.

I accept the facts
1. The father is a media whore activist
2. The son used a pre made clock to make it look like he made it from hand.

The sources state eyewitnesses that he was acting suspiciously but I wouldn't count those as facts yet. It fits well into the narrative I see forming now....

Additionally, I personally don't know why the media presented him as an "inventor" in the first place. I could see the kid having some type of learning science kit to make a clock, but regardless he didn't "invent" technology from the 70's.

Just the two facts above convince me that the consequence was the intended consequence.

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ShanwickOceanic (netAirspace FAA) 19 Sep 15, 08:25Post
Teenagers do dumb stuff that they think is awesome, and at that age I know I'd have been proud of a clock stuffed into a pencil case with no other skill involved.

To the article: I knew as soon as this clock story broke that we'd see this sort of follow-up within days, if not hours.

rabble-rouser

Yep, this is going to be impartial.

neither of which has been reported by the media

"I made that up? Prove it."

And we're still in the first sentence. This whole article is designed to fuel outrage and get a "HELL YEAH". Rabble-rouser, indeed. {twocents}
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Fumanchewd 19 Sep 15, 09:00Post
Sure its a horrible source, but his father's "campaigns" are well documented and the facts about the clock (from a different source) make for an illogical story if we are to believe Ahmed.

Let's try addressing that, known facts to other sources, instead of the bad writing.
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ShyFlyer (Founding Member) 19 Sep 15, 11:38Post
In the articles I read, no mention was made of the kid being an inventor, although it doesn't surprise me that some journalistas would misuse that term.

The articles I read did make mention of him being a "Muslim Teen," as if trying to implant the idea that the over-reaction was due to his religion or that this incident is another reason to keep a close watch on those "pesky Muslims." I still maintain that this incident was an example of how easily school administrators over-react to things.

Perhaps the father did set this whole thing up to stir up "trouble." It wouldn't be the first time someone has done something like that.
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JLAmber (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 19 Sep 15, 12:07Post
How I see it, a 14 year old called Ahmed Mohammed who is supposedly very intelligent took a device which looks far more like a briefcase bomb than a clock to school on the anniversary of 9/11.

He is either nowhere near as intelligent as is claimed, or knew exactly what he was doing. My money would be on the latter, and that it was a bit of a prank that got out of hand {twocents}
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helvknight (Founding Member) 19 Sep 15, 13:18Post
JLAmber wrote:How I see it, a 14 year old called Ahmed Mohammed who is supposedly very intelligent took a device which looks far more like a briefcase bomb than a clock to school on the anniversary of 9/11.

He is either nowhere near as intelligent as is claimed, or knew exactly what he was doing. My money would be on the latter, and that it was a bit of a prank that got out of hand {twocents}


I'd be inclined to agree with your assessment. It certainly seems more likely than the Breitbart version which (like a lot of the stuff on there) can be summed up in a simple picture:

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Click Click D'oh (Photo Quality Screener & Founding Member) 19 Sep 15, 14:58Post
I am still completely amazed that this is even news, much less a major national story. I can understand completely the actions of everyone involved.

Kid makes cool device that he is proud of and wants to show it off, but doesn't have the worldly knowledge to understand that his device can be misunderstood to be something else and cause alarm... because he's a kid

People at school think the device might not be all that innocent, and with school zero tolerance polices and panic like reactions to the possibility of school attacks, call the police

The patrolman who gets tasked with the call decides F it all to hell, this thing looks suspicious enough for probably cause, I'm not going to be the one that gets hung on this and punts to the District Attorney to have to make the call.

The part I don't get is stupid crap like NASA getting involved. Really NASA? You're impressed that a 14 year old can solder some wires and resistors together? Same with MIT. Your guys standards have fallen. That's just pathetic.
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CALTECH 19 Sep 15, 16:48Post
Ahmed was used and abused by his father. Retaining a lawyer and will seek montary damages shortly. They are going to use liberal political correctness and America's laws against her and the citizens of America.

Just hope the next time a untouchable muslim homemade 'clock' is brought into a school, that it's alarm doesn't go off.

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$100,000 goal for what ?

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http://pamelageller.com/2015/09/father- ... ones.html/

http://www.youngcons.com/ahmed-mohameds ... -in-sudan/

Why do these muslims go to Europe or America, thousands of kilometers away, when there are rich countries nearby that share the language and religion of these refugees.....
Fumanchewd 19 Sep 15, 20:39Post
helvknight wrote:
JLAmber wrote:How I see it, a 14 year old called Ahmed Mohammed who is supposedly very intelligent took a device which looks far more like a briefcase bomb than a clock to school on the anniversary of 9/11.

He is either nowhere near as intelligent as is claimed, or knew exactly what he was doing. My money would be on the latter, and that it was a bit of a prank that got out of hand {twocents}


I'd be inclined to agree with your assessment. It certainly seems more likely than the Breitbart version which (like a lot of the stuff on there) can be summed up in a simple picture:

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I don't believe that substantial evidence that he and his father planned this whole incident counts as a conspiracy. Just a greedy hoax.
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ShyFlyer (Founding Member) 19 Sep 15, 22:51Post
Click Click D'oh wrote:The part I don't get is stupid crap like NASA getting involved. Really NASA? You're impressed that a 14 year old can solder some wires and resistors together? Same with MIT. Your guys standards have fallen. That's just pathetic.


NASA is involved because their job now is Muslim outreach. MIT is involved because the kid has a desire to attend one day, so naturally MIT has to pander respond as ignoring the situation would be deemed Islamophobic by the court of social media.
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Mark 19 Sep 15, 23:25Post
All things aside, that clocky thingy doesn't look like a bomb. I said right away to my S.O. that it looks like the *cough* clocks I sold at Radio Shack when I worked there in 1977... the size of the display gave it away. Yeah, the whole story is f*cked beyond all logic, but I wonder why the teacher freaked. I taught school for a while and kids used to bring in shit all the time. When I was in high school, I built a Federal Signal Corporation PA-20 electronic siren from parts I bought from Federal and Radio Shack. All I had to go by is a schematic and parts list. I brought it to school to show my electricity class teacher. Damned thing worked, too.... perfectly.

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Lucas (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 20 Sep 15, 04:16Post
The size of the reactionary schmooze fests that occur over events like this...mind boggling.
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Click Click D'oh (Photo Quality Screener & Founding Member) 20 Sep 15, 17:18Post
Mark wrote: Yeah, the whole story is f*cked beyond all logic, but I wonder why the teacher freaked.


Because in this day and age this will get your in trouble for bringing a gun to school:

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There is no reason or logic attached to schools anymore.
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ShanwickOceanic (netAirspace FAA) 20 Sep 15, 17:44Post
Click Click D'oh wrote:There is no reason or logic attached to schools anymore.

{check} This. And it's not just schools.

And that is why, if it is a setup, it's pure evil genius. Would you go looking for an overreaction if you knew you wouldn't get one? If people in authority had some brains and/or balls, instead of seeing terrorists behind every bush and locking things down willy-nilly, it'd be a lot harder to pull this off. Unfortunately, ridiculous overreaction seems to be something of a speciality, making for a system that's all too easily trolled. "Swatting", for example.

Don't get me wrong: If this is indeed a setup, and not just some dumb kid thinking a clock in a pencil case will get him laid, then of course it's to be roundly condemned. But that such a stunt is even possible means there's a common-sense deficiency.
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Fumanchewd 20 Sep 15, 23:38Post
ShanwickOceanic wrote:
Click Click D'oh wrote:There is no reason or logic attached to schools anymore.

{check} This. And it's not just schools.

And that is why, if it is a setup, it's pure evil genius. Would you go looking for an overreaction if you knew you wouldn't get one?


Testing the bounds of safety at an airport as a political statement would be "genius" as well?

No, its just a media whore looking for a payout and attention.
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CALTECH 21 Sep 15, 13:18Post
Wanted to impress the airport, so brought in some homemade candles to share......

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IFEMaster (Project Dark Overlord & Founding Member) 21 Sep 15, 16:54Post
Regardless of the consequence, neither the school nor the police ever thought it was a bomb. Not once.
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