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It's a damn shame that such blatant discrimination and hypocritical bigotry exists like that.

jpetekUA777 wrote:It's a damn shame that such blatant discrimination and hypocritical bigotry exists like that.

That's still not germane to the fact that a PRIVATE business can do whatever the hell they want to with their private property, or should be able to that is. If the ACLU, GLBT groups, NAACP, or whomever else dont like it... they can go pound sand.

It's the RIGHT of a PRIVATE business. But we all know the left doesn't care about rights when it comes to advancing what they see as equality...

And I don't want to see two straight couples making out while I'm at a dining establishment either, and if I owned it would throw them out just the same. And instead of "faggot shit" or whatever they said, would have no problem saying "nasty shit" or whatever. It's all the same goddamn thing.

If the gays don't like it, let them open a gay restaurant in El Paso. I know for a fact if I walk into the local gay bar that my rights to my private space/body as a straight man will most likely be violated by some guy playing grab ass, and I wouldn't dare walk in there making out with a girl. I know better, and I respect THEIR PRIVATE business. Likewise, I've more than once stepped in front of a straight guy who was making unwanted gropes/touches onto a straight girl at a "straight" bar... to defend her privacy and rights.

jpetekUA777 wrote:It's a damn shame that such blatant discrimination and hypocritical bigotry exists like that.

Excellent post! A well thought out and witty rejoinder filled with facts and insight that surely must sway someone to your point of view...

Instead of posting another failed attempt at a witty rejoinder, perhaps you would like to develop some sort of treatisw on why you think eliminating discrimination is more important that property rights... and an actualy, developed and supported argument.

Or were you agreeing with Tornado about property rights and you just felt the urge to remind us all again that discrimination and biogotry is nasty, unless you are talking about rednecks then it's fair game...

PS: You have your previous legal concept backwards. Something that is illegal or restricted in public is more likely to be legal in private...not illegal. I can't think of any act that becomes more resticted as privacy increases.

Tornado82 wrote:It's the RIGHT of a PRIVATE business. But we all know the left doesn't care about rights when it comes to advancing what they see as equality...

Oh, please. You neglect to mention that the fact that it is against an ordinance in the city of El Paso for a business open to public to discriminate based on the grounds of sexual orientation. All those libtards down in El Paso that don't care about rights. Please.

"I was ordering at the cashier and I turned back to see if the other guys wanted to get something for themselves when I noticed two guys give each other a kiss on the lips, kind of like when you kiss someone on the cheek."

Eyewitness account.

And what was the justification used by the security personnel? "faggot stuff".

Click Click D'oh wrote:
PS: You have your previous legal concept backwards. Something that is illegal or restricted in public is more likely to be legal in private...not illegal. I can't think of any act that becomes more resticted as privacy increases.

Oh, do I? So you're saying your have greater freedom when you are in a private business than you do in a public space? I didn't mean the privacy of one's home, I meant someone elses private property.

I think we're all in agreement here of a businesses right to kick someone out for lewd or disorderly conduct or something of that nature. You're telling me that is less restricted than a public space?

Click Click D'oh wrote:Excellent post! A well thought out and witty rejoinder filled with facts and insight that surely must sway someone to your point of view...

He said his thoughts on it, and i reiterated mine. Your problem?

Tornado82 wrote:It's a damn shame that people can't do what the hell they want to do with their own private businesses/establishments.

jpetekUA777 wrote:It's a damn shame that such blatant discrimination and hypocritical bigotry exists like that.

Different points of view. Nothing more...

Click Click D'oh wrote:Or were you agreeing with Tornado about property rights

Of course property rights are important, but rules and house policies should be enforced fairly without race, sexual orientation, etc mattering. I think the ordinance in El Paso is positive.

And I should also say it is the responsibility of the minority to not abuse these- imo- positive measures such as 'playing the race card', or using it to their advantage in an unrelated situation which does happen way too often.

Click Click D'oh wrote: discrimination and biogotry is nasty, unless you are talking about rednecks then it's fair game...

If you want to start another thread about that, go ahead, and maybe this time you can try to not put words in my mouth.. calling 'porch monkey' 'on par' with 'redneck'. Words have meanings. Learn what the ones I used meant.

jpetekUA777 wrote:Oh, do I?

Yes, yes you do. I think I hinted prettly strongly that you should actually make an argument to support your position... Now would have been a great time to do so. Such as, can you think of a single act that becomes more legally restricted as privacy increases?

On the flip side, off the top of my head, things that become less restricted as privacy increases:
Nudity
Sex Acts
Drinking
Smoking
Firearms possesion

jpetekUA777 wrote:I think we're all in agreement here of a businesses right to kick someone out for lewd or disorderly conduct or something of that nature. You're telling me that is less restricted than a public space?

A buisnesses right to deny service to a person is not a legal restriction of an act. A buisness can not give you a citation for kissing, they can ask you to leave. There's a whole whopper of a difference between a business asking you to leave and an act being legally restricted.

jpetekUA777 wrote: Your problem?

That it was a zero content, throw away, trash post with zero redeeming value or point. Funny how you edit out a whole paragraph of his post to make your post look comparable to his.

jpetekUA777 wrote:Of course property rights are important, but rules and house policies should be enforced fairly without race, sexual orientation, etc mattering. I think the ordinance in El Paso is positive.

Okay, so you do think that eliminating discrimination is more important that property rights. Now, would you like to support why you think that ending discrimination is more important that the right our nation was founded on?

And please, for the love of god, don't just throw out the "my opinion" garbage. Anyone can have an opinion. Most of them are quite silly. Only the opinions that can be supported with reason are worth listening too.

So, now... would you like to make your argument? And no, a ctiy ordinance is not a good support. There are a great many daft and silly city ordinances that get tossed to the curb every year because city councils tend to be filled with daft power hungry morons with no concept of the laws or concepts that founded and run our nation.

jpetekUA777 wrote:Words have meanings. Learn what the ones I used meant.

This is still very good advice that I think you should follow.

jpetekUA777 wrote:It's a damn shame that such blatant discrimination and hypocritical bigotry exists like that.

It will always exist as long as there are people in the world who choose to see themselves as victims.

Now, don't take that out of context. Yes, what the cops did in this example may have been out of line both legally and with regard to department policy, but even if all the cops in the world were perfect you'd still have those who would choose to play the victim card when the law is brought to bear on certain acts in which they are involved. Why? Because the way things are now with the law, it's too damned easy to pull a Tawana Brawley and get away with it.