Click Click D'oh wrote:Something to consider.. Short barrel AR's (<18 inches) tend to cycle faster and hotter than their longer barrel brothers. You might want to look into setting up one of the hybrids that has a short barrel, but non-carbine length gas system.
miamiair wrote:Click Click D'oh wrote:Something to consider.. Short barrel AR's (<18 inches) tend to cycle faster and hotter than their longer barrel brothers. You might want to look into setting up one of the hybrids that has a short barrel, but non-carbine length gas system.
You can always use a heavier buffer.
miamiair wrote:Do It Yourself
captoveur wrote:As far as an AR-15 for home defense.. WTF are you defending against?
If you just want something tacticool and you are telling the woman it is for home defense just say so up front. Make sure you get the short barrel, collapsible stock, and if you have the budget, an ACOG.
If you want a long gun for under the bed get a 12ga pump shotgun with an 18in barrel loaded with Federal buckshot. It will destroy the bad guys better in a low light, high stress environment and your neighbors will thank you for not killing them in their sleep when rounds start coming through their walls.
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captoveur wrote:If you just want something tacticool and you are telling the woman it is for home defense just say so up front. Make sure you get the short barrel, collapsible stock, and if you have the budget, an ACOG.
And wasn't it ScarletHarlot or one of those Canadian gals who always slept tight with a similiar-type weapon close to the bedside?
BCAInfoSys wrote:And wasn't it ScarletHarlot or one of those Canadian gals who always slept tight with a similiar-type weapon close to the bedside?
You've got your wires crossed. As much as I love April*, she's a gun-fearing leftie. She despises guns. Back on "another" website when I was getting advice when I was first started carrying... she went out of her way to PM me to ask me to ask me why I would ever want such an evil thing like a gun. She also said that I would not be welcome in her house if I ever even considered bringing a weapon so much as in my vehicle to her place...
So yeah... she's definitely not a gun person.
* (Scarlot's is a close personal friend. She attended my wedding, and we go out of our way to get together anytime I'm in the SEA area.)
Queso wrote:Greasespot is who you're thinking of. She's a cop.
I'm pretty sure you've hit the nail on the head. I knew Queso would know about women with firearms 
miamiair wrote:captoveur wrote:If you just want something tacticool and you are telling the woman it is for home defense just say so up front. Make sure you get the short barrel, collapsible stock, and if you have the budget, an ACOG.
I am not crazy about ACOGs on short rifles. The EoTechs are better suited for use on close in stuff.
captoveur wrote:I thought we were just going for the appearance of being badass.
Click Click D'oh wrote:captoveur wrote:I thought we were just going for the appearance of being badass.
Nope, mostly talking functionality.
PS. You might want to ask your department to get a hold of the most recent published ballistics tests vs common building materials. The .223/5.56 actually penetrates less than most shotgun or handgun rounds making a properly set up AR safer for home defense than either of the other choices.
captoveur wrote:Click Click D'oh wrote:captoveur wrote:I thought we were just going for the appearance of being badass.
Nope, mostly talking functionality.
PS. You might want to ask your department to get a hold of the most recent published ballistics tests vs common building materials. The .223/5.56 actually penetrates less than most shotgun or handgun rounds making a properly set up AR safer for home defense than either of the other choices.
I will take your word for it on the penetration stuff... You have never steered me wrong. It was a big enough ordeal to even get a third of the rifles (sans optics) that we asked for.
Lessons learned:
1. Contrary to what we have been told, XM-193 does not seem to "fragment" when shot into drywall walls. After we were through for the day, we even shot several more rounds of XM-193 into the walls to see if we could get one to fragment. They did not.
It is clear that they were tumbling and deviating from the flight path, but they were still penetrating the walls.
Now, before anyone says it, No, I do not know how much damage they would do to someone after the 4th wall. But they would do some damage as they were still penetrating.
2. Remington 55 grain JSP and Frangible 5.56 also penetrated all 4 walls. So did the .30 Carbine.
When shooting rifles, walls are concealment, not cover.
3. 00 Buck penetrates 4 walls with ease. It is a great "Stopping" round, but there is a price to pay.
Until someone invents a "Phaser" like on Star Trek, anything that will stop a bad guy, will also penetrate several walls.
4. Birdshot does not excessively penetrate drywall walls. But it does not penetrate deeply enough to reach a bad guy's vital organs. Birdshot makes a nasty but shallow wound. It is not a good Stopper.
Use Birdshot for little birds. Use 00 Buckshot for bad guys.
5. The sun was shining, it was a lovely day, and it was fun shooting stuff.
