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I recently read a comment from a photographer, saying that Facebook rendered special interest websites redundant, and that he would upload his photos only to Facebook, instead of dedicated websites.

I don't quite agree with that, for several reasons:


Reach

On Facebook, your reach is limited to people who are following your posts.

That will not even be all of your Facebook friends. I have removed almost a third of my contacts from my wall, because they post too much stuff that doesn't interest me. I still have them on my friend list, but I don't see their posts anymore by default.

On netAirspace, you will reach like-minded people, no matter if you know them or not.


Sharing

Photos you post on Facebook cannot be shared anywhere else. You can't link them in forums or on other websites.

At netAirspace, we give you links to share your photos in our forum, in other forums, or on other websites - including Facebook.


Protection

Did you know that Facebook recently changed your primary e-mail address to <your name>@facebook.com? Check your account, you will be surprised.

Facebook's terms and policies are rather untransparent, and are changed frequently, without any information to the users.

At netAirspace, we are pretty clear about what we will do with your photos: we will only use them for our site, and only until you delete them (which you can do through a simple interface).

On Facebook, things are not so easy. By uploading photos, you give Facebook the right to transfer or sub-license the usage rights on your photos to third parties. And when you delete your photos, they can still use them if "your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it". Whatever that means.


Quality

On netAirspace, we want to present your photos in the best possible way, and we will keep improving the visual impression of our site.

Facebook does not have a specific approach to presenting photos. E.g. they just recently introduced force-squared thumbnails. For aircraft photos, that means that nose and tail will be cut off in the thumbnail view. Also, Facebook compresses photos you upload, resulting in a loss of quality.


Tl;dr
(That's: "Too long; didn't read" )

Upload your photos to netAirspace, and share the photo link on Facebook.

You will then reach more people, and have more control over your photos.

There are still people out there putting up with Facebooks crap?

Zak wrote:That's: "Too long; didn't read"

Wow.....I can't believe I didn't know that. I learned something today (on NAS...whereas on Facebook, I would have gotten dumber instead of smarter).

Anyway, perhaps for some people, Facebook reaches everyone they need/want to reach with their photos.

But why, in Captain Scott's name, would you upload your photos to a site that automatically compresses and resizes them without uploader controls???????? Any editing done is pretty much negated.

OH, speaking of Facebook, those of us who upload to A.net will be interested in this thread:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forum ... in/375955/

I'm not liking that too much. Not because I'm worried, but more because they used to post about such things when they did them, but didn't about this one.

Interesting. Obviously when they upload images retain watermarks and copyright bars - however, I would assume that the Facebook TOS supercede this?

mhodgson wrote:Interesting. Obviously when they upload images retain watermarks and copyright bars - however, I would assume that the Facebook TOS supercede this?

That's the exact question that Unattendedbag asked. Still waiting for a response from crew.

Cause yeah, that might not fly with a lot of people.

Unless Facebook agreed on specific terms with a.net (which would surprise me), then indeed, the Facebook terms would apply for shots that a.net uploads directly to Facebook.

Furthermore, unless a.net would get specific approvals from photographers to upload their photos to Facebook, doing that would be a clear violation of a.net's own terms, namely §4B.

To post user photos on other websites, a.net would need a sub-licensable license from their users. Their terms don't include that.

I had recently set up a Tumblr account, as Tumblr seems to gain increasing importance in the blogosphere / social network scene, especially for creative content. But after finding out that the only way to share photos on Tumblr is by uploading them directly to the service, I discontinued that approach.

This may not be the right place to discuss a.net's policies. Still, I have to say, if they really upload user content directly to Facebook, then my understanding is that they are treading on thin ice.

Zak wrote:Unless Facebook agreed on specific terms with a.net (which would surprise me), then indeed, the Facebook terms would apply for shots that a.net uploads directly to Facebook.

Facebook does not individually negotiate terms with groups, groups must agree to Facebook's terms.

Zak wrote:To post user photos on other websites, a.net would need a sub-licensable license from their users. Their terms don't include that.

Uploading photos without such specific permission. Rule 5.1. states that:-

"You will not post content or take any action on Facebook that infringes or violates someone else's rights or otherwise violates the law."

Unless A-net have specifically stated in their t&c's that they are granted permission to post the images elsewhere (which I believe they do not specify) they are in breach of Facebook's t&c's.

So they're in breach of Facebook T&Cs as well as their own?

Zak wrote:I recently read a comment from a photographer, saying that Facebook rendered special interest websites redundant

Hardly. I find them largely mutually exclusive.

Zak wrote:Photos you post on Facebook cannot be shared anywhere else. You can't link them in forums or on other websites.

Actually, they can. Not individual photos, but whole albums can be shared with people outside of Facebook.

Zak wrote:Facebook compresses photos you upload, resulting in a loss of quality.

That's the biggest problem.

mhodgson wrote:So they're in breach of Facebook T&Cs as well as their own?

Since when has A.Net followed their own rules?

mhodgson wrote:So they're in breach of Facebook T&Cs as well as their own?

Unless anybody can find an item in A-net's t&c's that specifies that they have full permission to use uploaded images on Facebook (or a blanket condition permitting use on any site A-net choose) then, yes, they are.

Zak wrote:This may not be the right place to discuss a.net's policies.

I apologize for that. Read your post about Facebook, and had just read the A.net thread earlier today.

vikkyvik wrote:

Zak wrote:This may not be the right place to discuss a.net's policies.

I apologize for that. Read your post about Facebook, and had just read the A.net thread earlier today.

No worries, after all, the topic is related. And as you can see, my above quoted sentence also continued with a "Still..."

Take a look at Paul's response to that thread. Am I really reading that correctly???

vikkyvik wrote:Take a look at Paul's response to that thread. Am I really reading that correctly???

Oh boy... They are aware of it, and still do it?

Oh boy...

Someone for a screen capture please? Some of us don't have access there . . . perhaps just a link, I have other IPs from which I may browse.

Never felt the need to use Facebook or Twitter etc

If I want to keep in touch with friends I can email them,or phone them,or even go and visit them.

As far as I am concerned social media sites,are a little bit sad and a little bit creepy.

I know many people use them and enjoy it,but I think it is very open to explotation by weirdos.

paul mcallister wrote:
I know many people use them and enjoy it,but I think it is very open to explotation by weirdos.

It is, but you can mitigate much of the creep factor. Additionally, FB is how I stay in touch with many people. It's the 21st Century version of writing a letter to an out of state friend, for better or for worse.

For photos, I'll post some on there, but I post my av shots here.