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Airfoilsguy (Founding Member) 20 Jun 09, 00:47Post
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... wD98U21R00

On an amusing note I rented a 2009 Corvette coupe that had an emergency-release latch {sarcastic}



LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) — A safety foundation asked General Motors Corp. on Friday to recall its 2000-01 sedans and refit their trunks with emergency-release latches after two Arkansas children were found dead in the trunk of a 2000 Chevrolet Malibu.

Kansas-based Kids and Cars said that while Ford has installed glow-in-the-dark handles inside all trunks since 2000, General Motors offered the latches only as an option on models made before 2002.

"If these two children found themselves trapped inside a 2000 Ford trunk, they would be alive today," the group said in a statement.

GM said it was too early to say what action the company might take in the wake of deaths.

"We don't have all of the facts. We know very unfortunately that two children died in this situation and we're extremely saddened," said Janine Fruehan, a spokeswoman for the General Motors Technical Center in Warren, Mich.

Washington County Coroner Roger Morris said it appears 5-year-old Curtis Markley and 4-year-old Virginia Markley of Springdale died accidentally in the car's trunk on Monday. The state Crime Laboratory at Little Rock was asked to examine the bodies.

Police said it is likely that the children were playing in the trunk when it closed. Sgt. Shane Pegram said the siblings likely died of asphyxiation but that further investigation was needed. Temperatures were nearly 90 degrees Monday afternoon.

"Kids love to get into little areas; just kids being curious," said Janette Fennell, the founder of Kids and Cars in Leawood, Kan. She said the group sent a letter to General Motors and to federal regulators asking for a recall.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration released data for "non-traffic" deaths in January that showed three people died in 2003-04 after being closed inside a trunk. In a one-month period of 1998, 11 children were found dead in car trunks, prompting calls for trunk-release latches.

An agency study concluded in 1999 said that 1,175 people had become trapped in car trunks between 1970 and 1998. Most were abducted adults or children who accidentally locked themselves in.
Mark 20 Jun 09, 00:59Post
My 2001 Ford pickup came with a hard tonneau cover. IT even has a flow-in-the-dark release handle inside. I would think that the right lawyer would have a field day with the idea that GM failed to maintain the industry standard in one of its cars.
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Boris (Founding Member) 20 Jun 09, 01:03Post
Mark wrote:My 2001 Ford pickup came with a hard tonneau cover. IT even has a flow-in-the-dark release handle inside. I would think that the right lawyer would have a field day with the idea that GM failed to maintain the industry standard in one of its cars.


I must have missed the "industry standard" part... Where does it say that???
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Airfoilsguy (Founding Member) 20 Jun 09, 01:05Post
Boris wrote:
Mark wrote:My 2001 Ford pickup came with a hard tonneau cover. IT even has a flow-in-the-dark release handle inside. I would think that the right lawyer would have a field day with the idea that GM failed to maintain the industry standard in one of its cars.


I must have missed the "industry standard" part... Where does it say that???



I don't think its a standard yet. Ford just started it. Much like day time running lights in the states which I believe GM started.
I don't think Mercedes even has them yet. At least the 2007 I last drove didn't have it.
Boris (Founding Member) 20 Jun 09, 01:08Post
Airfoilsguy wrote:
Boris wrote:
Mark wrote:My 2001 Ford pickup came with a hard tonneau cover. IT even has a flow-in-the-dark release handle inside. I would think that the right lawyer would have a field day with the idea that GM failed to maintain the industry standard in one of its cars.


I must have missed the "industry standard" part... Where does it say that???



I don't think its a standard yet. Ford just started it. Much like day time running lights in the states which I believe GM started.
I don't think Mercedes even has them yet. At least the 2008 I last drove didn't have it.


Thanks, I read it twice and didn't see that anywhere, thought I was just blind... {tired}

Hell, since the taxpayers will have to fund the recall, why don't we just go ahead and retrofit all GM cars ever made??? {crazy}
The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers...
Mark 20 Jun 09, 01:08Post
Once a manfacturer develops an innovative safety device, it must be adopted by all manufacturers. Failure to do so leaves nonconformants open to litigation. At least that's been the case in the ambulance and fire vehicle business.
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GQfluffy (Database Editor & Founding Member) 20 Jun 09, 02:04Post
FWIW, my folks' 2000 and 2003 Mercury Sables both had the glow in the dark trunk releases...
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Boris (Founding Member) 20 Jun 09, 02:11Post
Mark wrote:Once a manfacturer develops an innovative safety device, it must be adopted by all manufacturers. Failure to do so leaves nonconformants open to litigation. At least that's been the case in the ambulance and fire vehicle business.


I don't entirely agree that all manufacturers MUST adopt any new safety device. Anything you do leaves you open to litigation. I've represented fire equipment manufacturers and I've never heard of that requirement. While it may be a good idea, it's not required.

What you're saying is that if Ford decided to put flotation seats in their vehicles in case of a crash into a lake, ALL the other car makers must do the same... I just can't agree with that premise...
The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers...
Queso (netAirspace ATC Tower Chief & Founding Member) 20 Jun 09, 02:17Post
My '01 Impala has a glow in the dark handle. Why only go back to 2000, why do they not require the retrofit all the way back to their 1950 models, there are still a few of them around and some idiot kid without the sense God gave the common dog might shut themselves in there. {sarcastic}
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Tornado82 20 Jun 09, 05:14Post
My 99 ZX2 had it. My mom's '01 Sebring has it.
I'm baaaaaaack.
da man (Space Guru & Founding Member) 20 Jun 09, 05:54Post
I don't think my '99 Olds Aurora has one, but I believe my parents 2000 Buick LeSabre does.
captoveur 20 Jun 09, 08:41Post
I don't think the woman's 07 Acura has it.

I kind of prefer cars not have it.. What if I want to haul around dead bodies? They might not be totally dead and have a means to escape.
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Airfoilsguy (Founding Member) 20 Jun 09, 11:51Post
captoveur wrote:I don't think the woman's 07 Acura has it.

I kind of prefer cars not have it.. What if I want to haul around dead bodies? They might not be totally dead and have a means to escape.



Just cut the handle off with a pair of wire cutters. Learned the lesson the hard way one night. {blush}
Cadet57 20 Jun 09, 14:09Post
If the kids are stupid enough to say "hey billy, lets play in this car trunk and lock ourselves in!" They deserve what happens. Does the idea of children dying suck? Hell yes it does. But maybe if the parents got off their asses and idk, did some parenting they wouldn't have dead kids. And if I may quote the late George Carlin "The kid that swallows too many marbles doesn't grow up to have kids of his own".
ShanwickOceanic (netAirspace FAA) 20 Jun 09, 14:16Post
Cadet57 wrote:But maybe if the parents got off their asses and idk, did some parenting they wouldn't have dead kids.

This.

How long do you have to be in the boot/trunk to die of suffocation? Put another way, how long does a supposedly responsible adult have to leave you unsupervised? The problem here isn't a lack of fluorescent plastic thingies, it's a lack of parenting, and one is no substitute for the other.
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Cadet57 20 Jun 09, 14:20Post
ShanwickOceanic wrote:
Cadet57 wrote:But maybe if the parents got off their asses and idk, did some parenting they wouldn't have dead kids.

This.

How long do you have to be in the boot/trunk to die of suffocation? Put another way, how long does a supposedly responsible adult have to leave you unsupervised? The problem here isn't a lack of fluorescent plastic thingies, it's a lack of parenting, and one is no substitute for the other.


I've never understood how you CAN suffocate in a trunk. Its not like its a vacuum. There is still air in it. Maybe Mark can explain.
Mark 20 Jun 09, 14:33Post
Cadet57 wrote:
I've never understood how you CAN suffocate in a trunk. Its not like its a vacuum. There is still air in it. Maybe Mark can explain.


Dunno. I've wonder that, too. Hyperthermia seems a more likely cause of death. It's not like trunks are airtight. There's always gaps around the rear seat backs.

I've seen reporters on-scene reporting that the people died from suffocation. Hmmmm... How do they know that so soon after the event? Only an autopsy can verify the cause of death in these situations.
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ShanwickOceanic (netAirspace FAA) 20 Jun 09, 14:42Post
Mark wrote:It's not like trunks are airtight. There's always gaps around the rear seat backs.

I guess the question is, whether the air would actually circulate well enough - just because it could, doesn't mean it will. In any small and *reasonably* airtight space, I don't suppose it'd be long before you've used up all the available oxygen. Not something I'd be too keen on trying, anyway.

And not just hypothermia - the opposite is also a very real risk.
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captoveur 20 Jun 09, 16:33Post
ShanwickOceanic wrote:And not just hypothermia - the opposite is also a very real risk.


That's what I am thinking.. This time of year, especially in the southern US I am thinking the heat would probably kill you faster than the cold in the dead of winter in Alaska.

I am not denying both would get you eventually.. But they might have to race your own CO2 production

The trunk will hold the heat in- keeping you somewhat warm.
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Mark 20 Jun 09, 16:36Post
captoveur wrote:
ShanwickOceanic wrote:And not just hypothermia - the opposite is also a very real risk.


That's what I am thinking.. This time of year, especially in the southern US I am thinking the heat would probably kill you faster than the cold in the dead of winter in Alaska.


That's why I mentioned hyperthermia earlier. ;)
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captoveur 20 Jun 09, 17:14Post
*smacks head* hyperthermia

I can read, really I can.
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ShanwickOceanic (netAirspace FAA) 20 Jun 09, 19:48Post
captoveur wrote:*smacks head* hyperthermia

I can read, really I can.

Yeah, oops. :))
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