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Suresh 09 Oct 12, 23:15Post
Why Did California get a shuttle?

I have heard a lot of comments/complaints about where the shuttles should have/should not have been retired to. The following puts the case for Endeavour going to LA in good focus.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-shuttle-builders-20121009,0,600268.story?page=1


I am sure this debate will arise next week again when the move starts.
AndesSMF (Founding Member) 09 Oct 12, 23:22Post
I personally thought that LA should get one at the very least. Though what is sadder to me is to note that it wasn't that long ago that Seattle and Toulouse took a backseat to the LA area in aerospace till the early 90s.
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miamiair (netAirspace FAA) 10 Oct 12, 00:06Post
I don't mind California getting a shuttle, but New York? Houston should have gotten one before New York did.
And let's get one thing straight. There's a big difference between a pilot and an aviator. One is a technician; the other is an artist in love with flight. — E. B. Jeppesen
AndesSMF (Founding Member) 10 Oct 12, 00:16Post
miamiair wrote:I don't mind California getting a shuttle, but New York? Houston should have gotten one before New York did.

Frankly, I like that Houston will create a mock up that people can visit inside. In LA, at wont be possible.
Einstein said two things were infinite; the universe, and stupidity. He wasn't sure about the first, but he was certain about the second.
vikkyvik 10 Oct 12, 01:52Post
miamiair wrote:I don't mind California getting a shuttle, but New York? Houston should have gotten one before New York did.


Exactly.

To be honest, I don't understand why people say LA shouldn't have one. Between the orbiters being built here and landing here on many missions, TONS of aerospace industry here (which pumped a lot of parts and such into the program, I'm sure).

Thanks for the link, Suresh - I had totally forgotten about the Downey facility.

AndesSMF wrote:Though what is sadder to me is to note that it wasn't that long ago that Seattle and Toulouse took a backseat to the LA area in aerospace till the early 90s.


I'm not sure that's entirely true. I mean, Seattle has BCA, and Toulouse has Airbus, but SoCal still has the Air Force (Edwards, Vandenberg, etc.), NASA, the Navy (gigantic presence down in San Diego), a HUGE Northrop contingent, Boeing Satellite Systems and others, Lockheed Skunkworks and others, Raytheon, SpaceX, Aerospace Corporation, Sea Launch, and hundreds if not thousands of lesser-known companies that supply aerospace components, from thousands of employees down to a 10-person machine shop. You've probably never heard of the company I work for, but we supply pretty important components for aerospace companies, including NASA.

With all that said, yes, LA is not a hotbed of final assembly anymore (the C-17 is the only one I can think of), but in terms of aerospace, I can't drive more than a half mile around here without seeing a company related to it.
AndesSMF (Founding Member) 10 Oct 12, 14:28Post
vikkyvik wrote:LA is not a hotbed of final assembly anymore

Which is sad, considering the past.
Einstein said two things were infinite; the universe, and stupidity. He wasn't sure about the first, but he was certain about the second.
vikkyvik 10 Oct 12, 14:37Post
AndesSMF wrote:Which is sad, considering the past.


No argument there. I'm assuming even the C-17 won't be around here for much longer, which will leave us with.....?
GQfluffy (Database Editor & Founding Member) 10 Oct 12, 14:59Post
Gulfstream has a large presence at LGB.
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Click Click D'oh (Photo Quality Screener & Founding Member) 10 Oct 12, 15:19Post
miamiair wrote:I don't mind California getting a shuttle, but New York? Houston should have gotten one before New York did.


{check}
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vikkyvik 10 Oct 12, 16:45Post
GQfluffy wrote:Gulfstream has a large presence at LGB.


Ah yes, thank you, I forgot about that.
Lucas (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 10 Oct 12, 19:09Post
Click Click D'oh wrote:
miamiair wrote:I don't mind California getting a shuttle, but New York? Houston should have gotten one before New York did.


{check}


Also concur.

As for California, the aerospace presence there is pretty cool. I still vividly remember getting to go to Vandenberg.

Nice article, Suresh.
CO777ER (Database Editor & Founding Member) 11 Oct 12, 15:02Post
AndesSMF wrote:
miamiair wrote:I don't mind California getting a shuttle, but New York? Houston should have gotten one before New York did.

Frankly, I like that Houston will create a mock up that people can visit inside. In LA, at wont be possible.

Houston isn't too excited to be getting the plywood replica.
Coz 12 Oct 12, 20:46Post
Here it is, streaming live.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/cvplive/cvpstream3

NASA is so dumb and slow, ha ha. It hasn't moved in 5 minutes. {laugh}
AndesSMF (Founding Member) 12 Oct 12, 20:57Post
Coz wrote:Here it is, streaming live.

Thanks! {thumbsup}
Einstein said two things were infinite; the universe, and stupidity. He wasn't sure about the first, but he was certain about the second.
DAL764 13 Oct 12, 17:38Post
The LA Times has a great photo series of the transport, plenty of pics:
http://framework.latimes.com/2012/10/12 ... vour-2/#/0
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halls120 (Plank Owner) 14 Oct 12, 16:54Post
miamiair wrote:I don't mind California getting a shuttle, but New York? Houston should have gotten one before New York did.


Exactly. Both California and Houston have a long aerospace heritage. What does New York have, other than a overblown sense of superiority? {duck}
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miamiair (netAirspace FAA) 14 Oct 12, 18:47Post
halls120 wrote:
miamiair wrote:I don't mind California getting a shuttle, but New York? Houston should have gotten one before New York did.


Exactly. Both California and Houston have a long aerospace heritage. What does New York have, other than a overblown sense of superiority? {duck}


Chuck Schumer.
And let's get one thing straight. There's a big difference between a pilot and an aviator. One is a technician; the other is an artist in love with flight. — E. B. Jeppesen
ShanwickOceanic (netAirspace FAA) 15 Oct 12, 20:24Post
Oh, and a busted Concorde {grumpy}
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GQfluffy (Database Editor & Founding Member) 15 Oct 12, 20:48Post
Hey, you can't blame California for THAT.
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AndesSMF (Founding Member) 15 Oct 12, 21:25Post
halls120 wrote:What does New York have, other than a overblown sense of superiority?

NY has something that fits them well...a 'fake' shuttle.

The Enterprise was never capable of space flight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Enterprise

The Smithsonian rejected it once they got a real shuttle, Discovery.
Einstein said two things were infinite; the universe, and stupidity. He wasn't sure about the first, but he was certain about the second.
FlyingAce (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 16 Oct 12, 01:22Post
GQfluffy wrote:Hey, you can't blame California for THAT.


Methinks he was blaming NYC ;)
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vikkyvik 16 Oct 12, 07:02Post
AndesSMF wrote:NY has something that fits them well...a 'fake' shuttle.

The Enterprise was never capable of space flight.


While that's true, it WAS capable of atmospheric flight, and was used for landing tests and such when the program was beginning.

The true fake shuttle is whatever Houston is getting.

Besides which, LA deserves fake everything. :))

FlyingAce wrote:
GQfluffy wrote:Hey, you can't blame California for THAT.


Methinks he was blaming NYC ;)


I'm sure that somehow or other, if you trace it back far enough, it's California's fault. :)
miamiair (netAirspace FAA) 16 Oct 12, 09:00Post
The Enterprise was supposed to be a functioning orbiter. It got swapped out with the Challenger, which was going to be for the atmospheric testing.

Also, the Enterprise was supposed to be named "Constitution."

Link to NASA
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