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BCA 20 Mar 10, 21:21Post
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2011392418_russiatanker20.html

Here's the latest twist in the Air Force tanker saga: The Russians are coming.

Russia's government-owned aerospace company will announce Monday it is competing against Boeing for the $40 billion refueling-tanker contract, a Los Angeles attorney for the company said Friday.

United Aircraft of Moscow plans to unveil a U.S. partner and offer a modified version of its Ilyushin Il-96 wide-body plane, said John Kirkland, a Los Angeles lawyer representing the group.

The still-unidentified partner, "a U.S. public company and existing defense contractor," would assemble the planes in the U.S., he said. The Russian interest in the tanker bid was first reported Friday by The Wall Street Journal.

United Aircraft was formed under the authority of then-President Vladimir Putin in 2006 to combine the most famous names in Russian aviation: Sukhoi, Tupolev, Ilyushin, MiG.

Kirkland acknowledged it faces "significant hurdles ... there are obvious security issues, there are sanctions and restrictions on buying things from Russia."

He insisted, however, that "the Il-96 meets every single one of the final RFP (request for proposal) requirements, and it comes in at a lower price (than Boeing), so if it's a fair competition, we win."


I did NOT see this one coming. {bugeye} {crazy} :o

Good luck Ivan... it's NEVER gonna happen. {thumbsdown}
Lucas (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 20 Mar 10, 21:39Post
Are you kidding me? April 1st? When's China going to bid?

Seems more like a political move than anything else.
BCA 20 Mar 10, 21:43Post
Lucas wrote:Are you kidding me? April 1st? When's China going to bid?

Seems more like a political move than anything else.


Anyone else the Russians and French are in this together? Add some pressure on Boeing to get the price down...could be a brilliant strategic move. {boggled}
Lucas (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 20 Mar 10, 21:46Post
BCA wrote:
Lucas wrote:Are you kidding me? April 1st? When's China going to bid?

Seems more like a political move than anything else.


Anyone else the Russians and French are in this together? Add some pressure on Boeing to get the price down...could be a brilliant strategic move. {boggled}



I suppose that's true...but the IL-96? That's just such an odd thought.
DAL764 20 Mar 10, 22:26Post
BCA wrote:
Lucas wrote:Are you kidding me? April 1st? When's China going to bid?

Seems more like a political move than anything else.


Anyone else the Russians and French are in this together? Add some pressure on Boeing to get the price down...could be a brilliant strategic move. {boggled}

Seriously doubt that. The IL-96 isn't exactly a new type either, not to mention it follows the ancient Richard Branson motto of "4 Engines 4 Enormous Fuel Costs" {silly} .
Really, re-equipping the old KC-135s with newer engines and adding winglets would have the same effect as buying the IL-96 and would cost lesss.
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Queso (netAirspace ATC Tower Chief & Founding Member) 21 Mar 10, 02:26Post
BCA wrote:I did NOT see this one coming. {bugeye} {crazy} :o

Good luck Ivan... it's NEVER gonna happen. {thumbsdown}


I called it back on September 26, 2009!

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=3246&p=43498&hilit=tanker#p43498

Queso wrote:What if a "dark horse" player was able to exert some political pressure and sneak it's way into the competition this time, such as Embraer... Or how about ANTONOV!

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If the US is going to consider foreign manufacturers, would it not be discrimination if Antonov proposed a design and maybe even built a prototype demonstrator and was not considered?

What a mess this procurement process has become. {sarcastic}
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Lucas (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 21 Mar 10, 02:36Post
Queso wrote:
BCA wrote:I did NOT see this one coming. {bugeye} {crazy} :o

Good luck Ivan... it's NEVER gonna happen. {thumbsdown}


I called it back on September 26, 2009!

http://www.gebenus.com/board/potemkin/v ... ker#p43498

Queso wrote:What if a "dark horse" player was able to exert some political pressure and sneak it's way into the competition this time, such as Embraer... Or how about ANTONOV!

Image

If the US is going to consider foreign manufacturers, would it not be discrimination if Antonov proposed a design and maybe even built a prototype demonstrator and was not considered?

What a mess this procurement process has become. {sarcastic}


DOON DOON DOON! And the secret Russian sympathizer has exposed himself with his rather accurate insider information. {guns}
da man (Space Guru & Founding Member) 21 Mar 10, 02:40Post
Queso wrote:I called it back on September 26, 2009!

But you predicted a new Antonov design, not the well-established Ilyushin Il-96.
Zak (netAirspace FAA) 21 Mar 10, 02:45Post
{bugeye}

Today, when seeing a Mil Mi-8 being operated by the US Air Force, I said in jest to Victor: "What will be next, Ilyushin successfully bidding on the tanker contract?"

Creepy... {bugeye}
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Queso (netAirspace ATC Tower Chief & Founding Member) 21 Mar 10, 02:47Post
da man wrote:
Queso wrote:I called it back on September 26, 2009!

But you predicted a new Antonov design, not the well-established Ilyushin Il-96.

Russian is Russian. Does it matter? Who knows, maybe Antonov or Tupolev will show up with their own design that has a boom sticking out the tail of it.
Slider... <sniff, sniff>... you stink.
Zak (netAirspace FAA) 22 Mar 10, 13:54Post
Apparently, the Russians won't bid on the contract. At least, so they say.

Russia denied on Monday that its state-run United Aviation Corporation (UAC) planned to bid for a $50 billion contract to replace the U.S. Air Force's fleet of air tankers, rivalling Boeing Co and Europe's EADS.
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UAC denied it had held any talks on bidding for the contract. "We have not been holding, are not holding and are not planning to hold such talks," said a UAC official.

Full source: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE6 ... arketsNews
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Queso (netAirspace ATC Tower Chief & Founding Member) 22 Mar 10, 14:52Post
Zak wrote:Apparently, the Russians won't bid on the contract. At least, so they say.

Russia denied on Monday that its state-run United Aviation Corporation (UAC) planned to bid for a $50 billion contract to replace the U.S. Air Force's fleet of air tankers, rivalling Boeing Co and Europe's EADS.
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UAC denied it had held any talks on bidding for the contract. "We have not been holding, are not holding and are not planning to hold such talks," said a UAC official.

Full source: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE6 ... arketsNews

Same story from RIA Novosti...

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20100322/158276984.html

Russia's United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) said on Monday it does not plan to enter a lucrative contract to replace the U.S. Air Force's fleet of aerial tankers.

John Kirkland, a U.S. lawyer, told various news media last week that UAC would announce a joint venture on Monday with a small U.S. defense contractor to enter the bidding for the $35-bln KC-X aerial tanker deal against Europe's EADS and Boeing Co.

"The company officially announces that the media reports referring to John Kirkland's statement about the UAC participation in the tender to deliver aerial tankers to the U.S. Air Force are false," the UAC said in a statement.

"The UAC does not plan either to take part in this tender or set up a joint venture [to build aerial tankers]," the statement quoted UAC President Alexey Fedorov as saying.


However, a couple of interesting stirs of the pot and salient points here....

Kirkland said in his announcement last Friday that the Russian participation in the KC-X tender was discussed during Hillary Clinton's meetings with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin last week in Moscow.

He also said the KC-X could be based on a wide-body version of UAC's Il-96 aircraft.

But Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov told the Kommersant newspaper on Monday that the issue had never been raised during the meeting. Medvedev's spokeswoman Natalia Timakova also denied the rumor.

The UAC source suggested that the announcement made by Kirkland could be an attempt to heat up the competition and use the Russian company as a back-up participant in the tender in case Boeing remains the sole bidder.

Russian aircraft industry and military experts agree that even if Russia took part in the tender it would be unlikely to win because the Il-96 is inferior to comparable Boeing and EADS aircraft and Russia's aircraft industry does not have the capacity to produce 179 planes of this class "in the foreseeable future."

The Kommersant business daily cited a Russian aircraft industry analyst, Oleg Panteleyev, as saying that "the Americans have never bought and would never buy Russian-made military equipment."

I wouldn't go that far. Our military is flying foreign-built aircraft right now and the fact that a foreign-built aircraft was even being considered for this bid tell me we're open to almost anything if not today then most likely in the future. Besides, the Russians are our friends now, right? :)) {thumbsup}

Panteleyev said that even the titanium that Boeing buys in Russia is used to build civilian aircraft.

That's what Kelly Johnson must have been telling them in the early 60's, too! {rotfl}

Both Russian and Western analysts agree, in general, that the deal is unrealistic, primarily for political reasons.

Can't argue with that one.
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