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Airfoilsguy (Founding Member) 02 Aug 09, 17:43Post
Big brother is really watching you


THOUSANDS of the worst families in England are to be put in “sin bins” in a bid to change their bad behaviour, Ed Balls announced yesterday.

The Children’s Secretary set out £400million plans to put 20,000 problem families under 24-hour CCTV super-vision in their own homes.

They will be monitored to ensure that children attend school, go to bed on time and eat proper meals.

Private security guards will also be sent round to carry out home checks, while parents will be given help to combat drug and alcohol addiction.

Around 2,000 families have gone through these Family Intervention Projects so far.

But ministers want to target 20,000 more in the next two years, with each costing between £5,000 and £20,000 – a potential total bill of £400million.

Ministers hope the move will reduce the number of youngsters who get drawn into crime because of their chaotic family lives, as portrayed in Channel 4 comedy drama Shameless.

Sin bin projects operate in half of council areas already but Mr Balls wants every local authority to fund them.

He said: “This is pretty tough and non-negotiable support for families to get to the root of the problem. There should be Family Intervention Projects in every local authority area because every area has families that need support.”

But Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: “This is all much too little, much too late.

“This Government has been in power for more than a decade during which time anti-social behaviour, family breakdown and problems like alcohol abuse and truancy have just got worse and worse.”
halls120 (Plank Owner) 02 Aug 09, 17:58Post
Wow. George Orwell is turning out to be quite the prophet, isn't he?
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PlymSpotter (Photo Quality Screener & Founding Member) 02 Aug 09, 18:08Post
Why don't we just go the whole hog and send these problem families to concentration camps where they can be 'improved' {sarcastic}
AndesSMF (Founding Member) 02 Aug 09, 18:13Post
The term you are looking for is 're-education'.
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44Magnum (Founding Member) 02 Aug 09, 18:18Post
halls120 wrote:Wow. George Orwell is turning out to be quite the prophet, isn't he?

And, to boot, he was British.

If you want to know why native Brits are living this sinking ship by the hundreds of thousands every year, to countries where the torch of liberty burns brightly and where wealth creators are not treated as bottomless money pits for socialist tyrants, this is your answer. The Labour Party has ruined what was once the most powerful country on earth.

Blinky Balls would make Goebbels smile...

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Lucas (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 02 Aug 09, 20:18Post
Wow, it's hard to believe that's real. {frown}
Arniepie 02 Aug 09, 22:06Post
PlymSpotter wrote:Why don't we just go the whole hog and send these problem families to concentration camps where they can be 'improved' {sarcastic}



Better yet, why not put them on some isolated island and make it a supersafe prison with extensive external control and no communication and involvment to/from outside, no food, no medication, no nothing, let them sort out there problems for themselves without bothering the rest of us. {mischief}

I suggest we use Manhattan;
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miamiair (netAirspace FAA) 02 Aug 09, 22:49Post
Funny, Aldous Huxley must be shaking his head too.
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ShanwickOceanic (netAirspace FAA) 02 Aug 09, 23:13Post
This sort of surveillance already goes on - I didn't know until a couple of weeks ago.

Family across the road is its own little soap opera. The upshot of the latest drama was that one of the sons has just been sent to prison, less than a week after becoming a father, and the kid and its mother ended up in a "mother and baby unit" because she was unable to cope. Now I imagined this place as somewhere that she would get some support in looking after the child, some counselling, that sort of thing. After all, I've seen her with the kid, and (for all her other faults) she's a good and attentive mother, just really struggling with illness and the emotional turmoil of it all.

In reality, she's basically locked in a room with the kid - and monitored on CCTV with audio 24/7. She got sicker and sicker (because they'd left half the placenta inside her, as it later turned out), and less able to cope, but nobody intervened. Not, that is, until 3am one morning when the kid started crying and she said, barely awake and struggling to get up, "Please just go back to sleep, mate, please...?" Boom, the door goes in, and by 5am the baby is in foster care.

I wouldn't trust anyone with these cameras, but Social Services? No way.
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Tornado82 03 Aug 09, 02:06Post
Arniepie wrote:
PlymSpotter wrote:Why don't we just go the whole hog and send these problem families to concentration camps where they can be 'improved' {sarcastic}



Better yet, why not put them on some isolated island and make it a supersafe prison with extensive external control and no communication and involvment to/from outside, no food, no medication, no nothing, let them sort out there problems for themselves without bothering the rest of us. {mischief}

Wasn't that called Australia?
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jpetekUA777 (Founding Member) 03 Aug 09, 02:16Post
Don't give the religious right any ideas!! ;)
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Tornado82 03 Aug 09, 02:27Post
jpetekUA777 wrote:Don't give the religious right any ideas!!

Religious right? Hell your side is already dumping silicone down the oil crankcases of cars they deem too polluting, and determining who can get medical coverage and when.
I'm baaaaaaack.
halls120 (Plank Owner) 03 Aug 09, 02:32Post
Tornado82 wrote:
jpetekUA777 wrote:Don't give the religious right any ideas!!

Religious right? Hell your side is already dumping silicone down the oil crankcases of cars they deem too polluting, and determining who can get medical coverage and when.


And last time I checked, it was the very liberal Labor Party in charge of the UK government, not the Tories.
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44Magnum (Founding Member) 03 Aug 09, 13:16Post
halls120 wrote:And last time I checked, it was the very liberal Labor Party in charge of the UK government, not the Tories.

And Obama has all the flashiness and hollowness of erstwhile prime minister Tony Blair. Phony Tone was eventually forced from office and his name still makes many shudder. Beware, America.
Spicoli 03 Aug 09, 16:10Post
Jpete is quick to trash the religious right (like Goldwater, I'm no fan of them either), while trying to paint his side as the side of freedom, when they are anything but. It's pretty amusing.

The Religious Right is a group of big government socialists. The Dems are a group of big government socialists (for the most part, there are a few Dems whom I'd vote for, Brian Schweitzer for one). They dislike each other because they are so similar.
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44Magnum (Founding Member) 03 Aug 09, 19:16Post
Spicoli wrote:They dislike each other because they are so similar.

Hayek was right when he said that socialists and fascists are really just squabbling brothers.
AndesSMF (Founding Member) 03 Aug 09, 19:21Post
Spicoli wrote:They dislike each other because they are so similar.

That is sooo true!!! {laugh} {laugh}

I have always been amused because those who dislike each other intensely are usually on opposite sides of the same coin.
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jpetekUA777 (Founding Member) 03 Aug 09, 22:01Post
Spicoli wrote:Jpete is quick to trash the religious right (like Goldwater, I'm no fan of them either), while trying to paint his side as the side of freedom, when they are anything but. It's pretty amusing.


Show me the painting, picasso. Trying to paint me as a socialist is like me trying to paint you as a bible thumper.
ANCFlyer (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 03 Aug 09, 22:58Post
Tornado82 wrote:
jpetekUA777 wrote:Don't give the religious right any ideas!!

Religious right? Hell your side is already dumping silicone down the oil crankcases of cars they deem too polluting, and determining who can get medical coverage and when.

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halls120 wrote:And last time I checked, it was the very liberal Labor Party in charge of the UK government, not the Tories.

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again.
LET'S GO BRANDON!!!!
jpetekUA777 (Founding Member) 03 Aug 09, 23:01Post
ANCFlyer wrote:
And last time I checked, it was the very liberal Labor Party in charge of the UK government, not the Tories.

{check} {check} {check}
again.



Christ, my comment was a half joke to start off with. I sure must agree with everything Labour does too. {sarcastic} What am I supposed to come back with, look at those Saudi Arabian conservatives? Come on guys..
ANCFlyer (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 03 Aug 09, 23:05Post
jpetekUA777 wrote:
ANCFlyer wrote:
And last time I checked, it was the very liberal Labor Party in charge of the UK government, not the Tories.

{check} {check} {check}
again.



Christ, my comment was a half joke to start off with. I sure must agree with everything Labour does too. {sarcastic} What am I supposed to come back with, look at those Saudi Arabian conservatives? Come on guys..



Maybe we missed the :)) or {laugh} or {rotfl}

jpetekUA777 wrote:Saudi Arabian conservatives


{bugeye} {rotfl}
LET'S GO BRANDON!!!!
jpetekUA777 (Founding Member) 03 Aug 09, 23:07Post
Oh all right, i'll put one there for you.
 

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