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Citi boosting salaries to offset lower bonuses

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Airfoilsguy (Founding Member) 25 Jun 09, 08:43Post
This is why you don't give money to a company with a faulty business plan.

Obama has a lot to learn. Too bad he is squandering our money doing it.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Citigroup Inc. is increasing the base salaries of many employees -- reportedly by as much as 50 percent for some workers -- as it restructures their compensation amid government restrictions on bonuses.

The Obama administration reacted by pledging to aggressively implement a new law governing compensation at companies like Citigroup that have received billions of dollars in taxpayer-funded bailout support.

Administration officials, however, refused to say whether Citigroup had informed the government in advance of its decision to restructure salary levels.

The higher salaries at Citigroup are not the equivalent of annual raises because bonuses are being lowered, according to a person familiar with the matter who requested anonymity because the plans have not been made public.
Zak (netAirspace FAA) 25 Jun 09, 08:45Post
Protesters recently claimed: "We won't pay for your crisis!"
Apparently, Citi's response is: "Yes, you will."

FWIW, I cancelled my Citi account a couple of weeks ago, already.
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GQfluffy (Database Editor & Founding Member) 25 Jun 09, 11:24Post
Zak wrote:FWIW, I cancelled my Citi account a couple of weeks ago, already.


Too bad I can't cancel my student loans... :))
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AndesSMF (Founding Member) 25 Jun 09, 11:26Post
But why did Citi raise their pay?

Was it because people were leaving for better pastures?
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Mark 25 Jun 09, 14:10Post
AndesSMF wrote:But why did Citi raise their pay?

Was it because people were leaving for better pastures?


Yes, they were according to CNN.
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captoveur 25 Jun 09, 21:58Post
AndesSMF wrote:But why did Citi raise their pay?

Was it because people were leaving for better pastures?


If you are promised a bonus for meeting objectives. You meet and/exceed your objectives. Then the company says you aren't getting a bonus what would you do?

I would probably quit on the spot.

If Barry is going to say no to bonuses Citi is going to have to raise pay, and now people are being rewarded for just making minimum standards.

I guess now we all get to pay the price while Barry learns about unintended consequences. Hopefully, this will be the last lesson. This crap is getting expensive.
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AndesSMF (Founding Member) 25 Jun 09, 22:04Post
Everyone forgets about the law of unintended consequences... {mad}
Einstein said two things were infinite; the universe, and stupidity. He wasn't sure about the first, but he was certain about the second.
Airfoilsguy (Founding Member) 25 Jun 09, 22:05Post
AndesSMF wrote:Everyone forgets about the law of unintended consequences... {mad}



Some people never learned
ANCFlyer (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 25 Jun 09, 22:19Post
Our Tax $$$ at work.

Bastards . . .

They're gonna get a bonus no matter what, eh?
LET'S GO BRANDON!!!!
AndesSMF (Founding Member) 25 Jun 09, 22:55Post
If anyone remembers, years ago they changed the laws regarding tax deductions for salaries. The end result was the granting of stock options instead of salaries.

The unintended consequence was then a drive to keep the stock high...by any means necessary.

And we know what happened then...
Einstein said two things were infinite; the universe, and stupidity. He wasn't sure about the first, but he was certain about the second.
captoveur 26 Jun 09, 02:02Post
ANCFlyer wrote:Our Tax $$$ at work.

Bastards . . .

They're gonna get a bonus no matter what, eh?


Why shouldn't they get paid for their work?
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Cadet57 26 Jun 09, 02:12Post
captoveur wrote:
ANCFlyer wrote:Our Tax $$$ at work.

Bastards . . .

They're gonna get a bonus no matter what, eh?


Why shouldn't they get paid for their work?


Well, they ran a company into the ground. Does that require work? {mischief}
ANCFlyer (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 26 Jun 09, 04:11Post
captoveur wrote:
ANCFlyer wrote:Our Tax $$$ at work.

Bastards . . .

They're gonna get a bonus no matter what, eh?


Why shouldn't they get paid for their work?



Didn't say that . . .

What I said was . . .

BASTARDS!

Likely the same assholes are running the place that were there a year ago, five years ago. And the drove Citi into the ground . . . so they cannot get a bonus, so they get a raise?!?!?! WTF?

Not the answer. They drove the company into the ground, why should they get a raise for doing what they should have done in the first place - make the company profitable!

If they area ble to do it now, where the fuck were they 5 years ago . . .

I have the answer of course . . .
LET'S GO BRANDON!!!!
captoveur 27 Jun 09, 06:44Post
Cadet57 wrote:
Well, they ran a company into the ground. Does that require work? {mischief}


The people at the top ran the company into the ground. The lower level people who have no control over the direction of the company were just doing their jobs and were likely oblivious to how stupid the management is.
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Arniepie 27 Jun 09, 09:34Post
Mark wrote:
AndesSMF wrote:But why did Citi raise their pay?

Was it because people were leaving for better pastures?


Yes, they were according to CNN.


I'm calling BS on that, the problem is that they refuse to let basic market economics do its work, in essence supply and demand.
There aren't really many jobs in supply for all those bank managers on a middle and top level anymore, on the contrary many of those highly payed jobs have evaporated with the dimise of much of the business in most big banks and other credit lending companies so much so that if they would let the market do its thing many of them would have to look for a job outside the banking industry and into the substantially lower payed other industries.
Even top managers are in abudant supply now and neither their exorbitant salaries can be justified anymore these days in what is essentially a financially very troubled industry.

One of the problems most of the time with large publically held companies is exactly that those that should approve and check upon the wages (and bonusses) of middle and top management, the owners aka shareholders, fail to adequately do this because they don't care enough to follow up on their investments , don't understand enough of the business they invest in and (have to) give too much power to the board of directors to determine their own payouts without presetting clear and ambitious but realistic objectives.

These days it has become possible for people to earn exorbitant amounts of money without running any kind of personal risk just by getting into a board of a big company and benefitting from big payout checks set by other board members that usually get in in the same way.
This is unfair towards new entrepreneurs that take the chance to start up a new company and run the risk of personal financial destruction just to try out new ideas and build new companies with fresh ideas and usually newer and more innovative ways of doing things than some of the old dinosaurs that aren't allowed to fail in this "new economy" mostly supported by afforementioned managers and their befriended politicians.
AndesSMF (Founding Member) 27 Jun 09, 10:02Post
Arnie, spot on!
Einstein said two things were infinite; the universe, and stupidity. He wasn't sure about the first, but he was certain about the second.
captoveur 27 Jun 09, 14:52Post
Mid and upper level bank management don't have to stay within banking. There are plenty of other industries looking for that kind of financial expertise.

There are no banking jobs right now so go into another sector and take over a chunk of a company's finance division. People at these levels have friends in other companies who would be glad to have them. I scratch your back this time because someday it might be my ass out of work. If you have your CPA go shake people down for one of the big auditing/consulting firms- they would love to have the banking experience. It makes you easier to pass off as knowing what you are talking about when their consulting arm comes in to wreck a healthy company.

Hell, if you cut my pay like that for doing my job I would quit just out of spite and take something lower paying or sit on my ass until I find something else. Fuck me? No, Fuck YOU.

Just because Citi tanked doesn't mean there were not plenty of competent people working there who more than earned their bonus. A mid level regional manager based out of Des Moines Iowa has no bearing over what the clowns at the top do. However, if he made his goals he still earned his bonus. If he can't get a bonus he deserves a pay increase to make up the difference.
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Boris (Founding Member) 28 Jun 09, 14:10Post
captoveur wrote:Mid and upper level bank management don't have to stay within banking. There are plenty of other industries looking for that kind of financial expertise.

There are no banking jobs right now so go into another sector and take over a chunk of a company's finance division. People at these levels have friends in other companies who would be glad to have them. I scratch your back this time because someday it might be my ass out of work. If you have your CPA go shake people down for one of the big auditing/consulting firms- they would love to have the banking experience. It makes you easier to pass off as knowing what you are talking about when their consulting arm comes in to wreck a healthy company.

Hell, if you cut my pay like that for doing my job I would quit just out of spite and take something lower paying or sit on my ass until I find something else. Fuck me? No, Fuck YOU.

Just because Citi tanked doesn't mean there were not plenty of competent people working there who more than earned their bonus. A mid level regional manager based out of Des Moines Iowa has no bearing over what the clowns at the top do. However, if he made his goals he still earned his bonus. If he can't get a bonus he deserves a pay increase to make up the difference.


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What you say would be valid except that Citi wants ME to pay the bonus/increased salary.

Give me one good reason that the taxpayers should be paying ANY employees of private business...
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