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AndesSMF wrote:{sick}

What he said.

"Sharia in the United States"? Those security guards didn't strike me as being particularly Islamic-looking, and so much of this seemed to come down to the film-makers' unnecessarily confrontational approach. I venture that they would have got the same response had those guards been working a Hail Jesus retreat, a gun fair, or just about anything.

I wasn't happy to see that the guys on the booth were camera shy. Then again, if the film-makers had asked their permission to film them, maybe a whole lot of panties would have been saved a twisting.

There are enough photographers here, who have had enough dealings with airport security, to know that how you approach a given situation can mean the difference between a peaceful afternoon's spotting and an uncomfortable grilling in the back of a patrol car. Same thing here.

ShanwickOceanic wrote:Those security guards didn't strike me as being particularly Islamic-looking, ...

I think they did have middle eastern, arabic features

ShanwickOceanic wrote:"Sharia in the United States"? Those security guards didn't strike me as being particularly Islamic-looking, and so much of this seemed to come down to the film-makers' unnecessarily confrontational approach. I venture that they would have got the same response had those guards been working a Hail Jesus retreat, a gun fair, or just about anything.

I wasn't happy to see that the guys on the booth were camera shy. Then again, if the film-makers had asked their permission to film them, maybe a whole lot of panties would have been saved a twisting.

There are enough photographers here, who have had enough dealings with airport security, to know that how you approach a given situation can mean the difference between a peaceful afternoon's spotting and an uncomfortable grilling in the back of a patrol car. Same thing here.

Sorry, but in the United States you don't need permission to film in a public place. You give up your expectation of privacy when you go out in public.

It's bullshit is what it is. Every one of those "Security" people should have been locked up, and if they tried that crap around here, they would have been...

Why do they have such a hangup about being videotaped? Gotta be a cultural thing.

Boris wrote: Sorry, but in the United States you don't need permission to film in a public place. You give up your expectation of privacy when you go out in public.

You don't need permission to stand outside the airport boundary taking photos either. But you can call airport security and/or the police ahead of time and let them know what you're doing, or you can bang on about your rights and discover that you have the right to remain silent. I'm not saying that's right, but being courteous and respectful is far more likely to let you exercise your right in peace.

In the same way, if these guys were really interested in a debate, they could have gone to the booth with the camera off and said, "Hi, we're making a documentary, can we have a chat about some of the questions in this brochure? Busy now, OK, how about in a couple of hours when things start to die down?" But instead they chose - while remaining entirely within their rights, I agree - to be confrontational. Thrusting a camera into someone's face and expecting him to answer questions on the spot, then whining about entrapment, strikes me as being hypocritical in the extreme.

I'm not defending anyone here. I think the film-maker is a confrontational wanker. I think the security guards are a bunch of confrontational wankers. I think the guy on the booth was a confrontational wanker. But I place the bulk of the blame with the film-makers, who seem to have set out to look for that confrontation.

Mark wrote:Why do they have such a hangup about being videotaped? Gotta be a cultural thing.

Thrust a camera in my face and you'll get some choice words on tape, too. And I do love a good joint of roast pork.

Thrust a camera in my face and I'll ask for an explanation, but I won't block the shot or touch the camera. That's a big no-no.

That's what happens when you give random guys official looking shirts, no training.. and tell them they are "Security"

Granted, the guys filming this were antagonizing them... But they still crossed the line by miles. Anyone know if the assault charges were actually filed or did the police tell the camera guys to GTFO and leave it at that?

ShanwickOceanic wrote:I'm not defending anyone here. I think the film-maker is a confrontational wanker. I think the security guards are a bunch of confrontational wankers. I think the guy on the booth was a confrontational wanker. But I place the bulk of the blame with the film-makers, who seem to have set out to look for that confrontation.

You see what one well-placed grenade could have resolved?

ShanwickOceanic wrote:

Boris wrote: Sorry, but in the United States you don't need permission to film in a public place. You give up your expectation of privacy when you go out in public.

You don't need permission to stand outside the airport boundary taking photos either. But you can call airport security and/or the police ahead of time and let them know what you're doing, or you can bang on about your rights and discover that you have the right to remain silent. I'm not saying that's right, but being courteous and respectful is far more likely to let you exercise your right in peace.

I totally agree that one's attitude can make or break a situation. However, these guys did do as you suggest when they went to Security and said they wanted to question the Q & A booth on film. They got permission. Then the Security guys turned against them.

This Festival was held on a public street, Warren Avenue, in the middle of town. Not exactly the same as spotting at the airport.

And since it was sponsored in part by Chrysler (of which we own a piece...) , and the Central Intelligence Agency (WTF???) , which we all pay for, the behavior of the security personnel is inexcusable...

http://www.americanarab.com/festival

Boris wrote:I totally agree that one's attitude can make or break a situation. However, these guys did do as you suggest when they went to Security and said they wanted to question the Q & A booth on film. They got permission. Then the Security guys turned against them.

There was event security- which was off duty police

Then there was "security" for that booth- which appeared to the mosque's thugs.

The event security said the camera guys were fine.. booth security had another idea.

captoveur wrote:
There was event security- which was off duty police

Then there was "security" for that booth- which appeared to the mosque's thugs.

The event security said the camera guys were fine.. booth security had another idea.

Which security was which? IIRC, there were three or four different types of shirts walking around with "security" on them. Obviously the neon green ones were the out-of-control people. Those shirts don't mean crap, anyway. Anyone can buy them online.

Mark wrote:Those shirts don't mean crap, anyway. Anyone can buy them online.

BuyJazeera.com????

Mark wrote: IIRC, there were three or four different types of shirts walking around with "security" on them. Obviously the neon green ones were the out-of-control people. Those shirts don't mean crap, anyway. Anyone can buy them online.

It's a Class A misd around these parts to wear one of those shirts if you aren't an actualy honest to god licensed and contracted security officer.

Click Click D'oh wrote:

Mark wrote: IIRC, there were three or four different types of shirts walking around with "security" on them. Obviously the neon green ones were the out-of-control people. Those shirts don't mean crap, anyway. Anyone can buy them online.

It's a Class A misd around these parts to wear one of those shirts if you aren't an actualy honest to god licensed and contracted security officer.

Really. Walk around the Minnesota State Fairgrounds during the fair and you can spot dozens of people wearing them, obviously not members of any security detail.

As for the video, I think it's pretty hillarious, religious nuts from one side confronting religious nuts from another side
who ultimately believe in the same fairytale ( the abrahamic God from the Thora, The Bible and the QU'ran) .
Just shows how dumb people really can be and how much they deserve eachother.

Personally I think we should start a new religion and take something more inspiring and better written as our new gospel.
May I suggest the combined works of
HAGAR The HORRIBLE


or
SIMON's CAT


or maybe
DILBERT


At least they'll be more fun and don't give all the other needless stress

I would have knocked one of those guys out straight off. They have no right to touch people like that. Would have gotten my ass kicked afterwards, but thats were lawsuits come in and whatever assclown gave those guys shirts would be liable.

Mark wrote:

captoveur wrote:
There was event security- which was off duty police

Then there was "security" for that booth- which appeared to the mosque's thugs.

The event security said the camera guys were fine.. booth security had another idea.

Which security was which? IIRC, there were three or four different types of shirts walking around with "security" on them. Obviously the neon green ones were the out-of-control people. Those shirts don't mean crap, anyway. Anyone can buy them online.

The green shirted guys were clearly the mosque's thugs.. The fat guys who didn't care were the off duty police.

And the ones in the black uniforms with patches, badges, and stripes were the on-duty police.