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da man (Space Guru & Founding Member) 17 Jul 09, 19:59Post
The images most of the space community has been waiting for since the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter was launched last month, (see thread viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1230) have been taken.

LRO has imaged the Apollo 11, 14, 15, 16, and 17 landing sites from a preliminary orbit. Once the final orbit is achieved, the images will be two to three times better in resolution!

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html#
The spacecraft's current elliptical orbit resulted in image resolutions that were slightly different for each site but were all around four feet per pixel. Because the deck of the descent stage is about 12 feet in diameter, the Apollo relics themselves fill an area of about nine pixels. However, because the sun was low to the horizon when the images were made, even subtle variations in topography create long shadows. Standing slightly more than ten feet above the surface, each Apollo descent stage creates a distinct shadow that fills roughly 20 pixels.

The image of the Apollo 14 landing site had a particularly desirable lighting condition that allowed visibility of additional details. The Apollo Lunar Surface Experiment Package, a set of scientific instruments placed by the astronauts at the landing site, is discernable, as are the faint trails between the module and instrument package left by the astronauts' footprints.


I can't post all of the images, but I'll post one:
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AndesSMF (Founding Member) 17 Jul 09, 20:11Post
They look like digitally manipulated images designed purely to continue fooling the American public about fake moon landings.

(Which I thought it was only about Apollo 11, but now I understand is all of them)

;)

Finally pictures that I have waited decades to see.

Thanks!

You da man!! ;)
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Queso (netAirspace ATC Tower Chief & Founding Member) 17 Jul 09, 20:14Post
At which of the sites is the laser target that was left behind and is frequently hit by lasers from earth?
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da man (Space Guru & Founding Member) 17 Jul 09, 20:15Post
AndesSMF wrote:They look like digitally manipulated images designed purely to continue fooling the American public about fake moon landings.

(Which I thought it was only about Apollo 11, but now I understand is all of them)

You forgot to put {duck} after that first remark, only the nutcases keep claiming it is fake.

Yep, all of them are being imaged, and the timing of the 40th anniversary of Apollo 11 is purely coincidental (they didn't expect these images for a few more weeks, until the orbit was finalized)
AndesSMF (Founding Member) 17 Jul 09, 20:23Post
da man wrote:You forgot to put after that first remark, only the nutcases keep claiming it is fake.

I know, but when I was trying to find the redone videos last night, I happened upon one of those fake landing videos...so your thread was just perfect timing! {laugh}

I wonder how these will be spinned? Or they may just ignore them.

Could they image other landing sites, is that in the planning stages? What about some of the original crash sites?
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Boris (Founding Member) 17 Jul 09, 22:34Post
Interesting opinion piece...
The Moon We Left Behind

By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, July 17, 2009

Michael Crichton once wrote that if you told a physicist in 1899 that within a hundred years humankind would, among other wonders (nukes, commercial airlines), "travel to the moon, and then lose interest . . . the physicist would almost certainly pronounce you mad." In 2000, I quoted these lines expressing Crichton's incredulity at America's abandonment of the moon. It is now 2009 and the moon recedes ever further.

Next week marks the 40th anniversary of the first moon landing. We say we will return in 2020. But that promise was made by a previous president, and this president has defined himself as the antimatter to George Bush. Moreover, for all of Barack Obama's Kennedyesque qualities, he has expressed none of Kennedy's enthusiasm for human space exploration.

So with the Apollo moon program long gone, and with Constellation, its supposed successor, still little more than a hope, we remain in retreat from space. Astonishing. After countless millennia of gazing and dreaming, we finally got off the ground at Kitty Hawk in 1903. Within 66 years, a nanosecond in human history, we'd landed on the moon. Then five more landings, 10 more moonwalkers and, in the decades since, nothing.

To be more precise: almost 40 years spent in low Earth orbit studying, well, zero-G nausea and sundry cosmic mysteries. We've done it with the most beautiful, intricate, complicated -- and ultimately, hopelessly impractical -- machine ever built by man: the space shuttle. We turned this magnificent bird into a truck for hauling goods and people to a tinkertoy we call the international space station, itself created in a fit of post-Cold War internationalist absentmindedness as a place where people of differing nationality can sing "Kumbaya" while weightless.

The shuttle is now too dangerous, too fragile and too expensive. Seven more flights and then it is retired, going -- like the Spruce Goose and the Concorde -- into the Museum of Things Too Beautiful and Complicated to Survive.

America's manned space program is in shambles. Fourteen months from today, for the first time since 1962, the United States will be incapable not just of sending a man to the moon but of sending anyone into Earth orbit. We'll be totally grounded. We'll have to beg a ride from the Russians or perhaps even the Chinese.

So what, you say? Don't we have problems here on Earth? Oh, please. Poverty and disease and social ills will always be with us. If we'd waited for them to be rectified before venturing out, we'd still be living in caves.

Yes, we have a financial crisis. No one's asking for a crash Manhattan Project. All we need is sufficient funding from the hundreds of billions being showered from Washington -- "stimulus" monies that, unlike Eisenhower's interstate highway system or Kennedy's Apollo program, will leave behind not a trace on our country or our consciousness -- to build Constellation and get us back to Earth orbit and the moon a half-century after the original landing.

Why do it? It's not for practicality. We didn't go to the moon to spin off cooling suits and freeze-dried fruit. Any technological return is a bonus, not a reason. We go for the wonder and glory of it. Or, to put it less grandly, for its immense possibilities. We choose to do such things, said JFK, "not because they are easy, but because they are hard." And when you do such magnificently hard things -- send sailing a Ferdinand Magellan or a Neil Armstrong -- you open new human possibility in ways utterly unpredictable.

The greatest example? Who could have predicted that the moon voyages would create the most potent impetus to -- and symbol of -- environmental consciousness here on Earth: Earthrise, the now iconic Blue Planet photograph brought back by Apollo 8?

Ironically, that new consciousness about the uniqueness and fragility of Earth focused contemporary imagination away from space and back to Earth. We are now deep into that hyper-terrestrial phase, the age of iPod and Facebook, of social networking and eco-consciousness.

But look up from your BlackBerry one night. That is the moon. On it are exactly 12 sets of human footprints -- untouched, unchanged, abandoned. For the first time in history, the moon is not just a mystery and a muse, but a nightly rebuke. A vigorous young president once summoned us to this new frontier, calling the voyage "the most hazardous and dangerous and greatest adventure on which man has ever embarked." And so we did it. We came. We saw. Then we retreated.

How could we?
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AndesSMF (Founding Member) 17 Jul 09, 22:51Post
Boris wrote:How could we?

NIMBYs, plain and simple. Plus other priorities.

I always complain about how our technological progress has slowed down hard in the last decades.

The last new method of propulsion was the jet engine in the 1930s.

The latest method of communication was really the telephone, everything else (including the internet) relies on older technology.

Imagine the beginning of the 20th century and what was truly new. Telephone, electricity, aviation, cars, etc.

Since the moon landings, no new 'wow' technology has really come up, only refinements of current technology.

A truly sad state of affairs.
Einstein said two things were infinite; the universe, and stupidity. He wasn't sure about the first, but he was certain about the second.
Boris (Founding Member) 17 Jul 09, 23:01Post
AndesSMF wrote:
Boris wrote:How could we?

NIMBYs, plain and simple. Plus other priorities.

I always complain about how our technological progress has slowed down hard in the last decades.

The last new method of propulsion was the jet engine in the 1930s.

The latest method of communication was really the telephone, everything else (including the internet) relies on older technology.

Imagine the beginning of the 20th century and what was truly new. Telephone, electricity, aviation, cars, etc.

Since the moon landings, no new 'wow' technology has really come up, only refinements of current technology.

A truly sad state of affairs.


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I watched the last moon launch from about 6 miles away. It was the first manned night launch and I saw it up close... I was 17.

I watched the first Shuttle take off from the grounds of KSC. It was historic and I was there... I was 24.

I've watched dozens of Shuttle launches live, but it's old technology.

Now I'm in my 50's... They're still flying the Shuttle. My phone (not that fancy) probably has more computing power than the Shuttle did that first time.

You're right Andes, it's sad...
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