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China Eastern 737-800 Crashes in China

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Zak (netAirspace FAA) 21 Mar 22, 08:57Post
Developing story - early reports suggest a China Eastern Airlines Boeing 737 carrying 133 people crashed in southern China, near Wuzhou.

China Eastern operates 26 737-700, 102 737-800 and 2 737-MAX8.

Distant video of the crash site:
https://twitter.com/aviationbrk/status/ ... 5140862979

Edit: the affected flight appears to be MU5735, enroute KMG to CAN.
Aircraft is B-1791, a 737-800.



Flight playback on Flightradar24:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... 1#2b367bc1
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mhodgson (ATC & Photo Quality Screener & Founding Member) 21 Mar 22, 11:43Post
Footage from a dashcam which caught the moments before impact - looks like a near vertical nose-down attitude

https://twitter.com/aviationbrk/status/ ... 6943352836
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ANCFlyer (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 21 Mar 22, 12:27Post
mhodgson wrote:Footage from a dashcam which caught the moments before impact - looks like a near vertical nose-down attitude

https://twitter.com/aviationbrk/status/ ... 6943352836


Local news here (ORD-land) says the flight lost contact with ground and immediately took a near vertical nose down attitude from altitude into the ground . . .
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CO777ER (Database Editor & Founding Member) 21 Mar 22, 12:34Post
Yikes that was dropping like a rock
DXing 21 Mar 22, 22:51Post
Given the speed and angle of descent it's hard to believe this was anything other than intentional. No evidence of any effort to recover, no wobbling or any evidence of an aircraft out of control. No distress call of any kind. There are still some remote mechanical possibilities but this looks intentional. What a terrifying few minutes for those on board. RIP.
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DXing 22 Mar 22, 18:47Post
There's a new, blown up picture (no pun intended) of the aircraft just before it struck the ground showing that most of the vertical stabilizer and all of the rudder are gone. No idea if it is genuine or has been doctored, or if the angle is off and there is actually more of the tail there than you can see. If you take it at face value then all of the actual rudder and most of the vertical stabilizer is gone. Suggestion is now that this may be what caused the fatal dive.

Several thoughts entered my mind. If it was lost as a result of the dive, the wing tips are amazingly intact. Having worked around 737's for several years the vertical stabilizer seemed to be far more a robust structure than the wing tips, even the wing itself outboard of the engine pylons. Seems to be that they would have folded before the whole vertical stabilizer could have been torn off.

Second, if it did come off in the dive then why didn't the airplane immediately begin to spin along the Y axis?

Why was the aircraft descent not able to be arrested, even with the loss of the vertical stabilizer/rudder just due to speed and lift? Yaw control would have been severely limited but as United 232 proved, was possible. Still a lot of unanswered questions but I still lean towards a deliberate act.
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captoveur 24 Mar 22, 17:52Post
I am inclined to believe the departure of the vertical stabilizer may have been a caused by the speed achieved in that dive. Like you said, the tail departing doesn't make you nose dive like a lawn dart.
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paul mcallister 24 Mar 22, 23:37Post
When I saw the dashcam footage the other day, my 1st thought was that must have been a deliberate act.
As others have mentioned, no distress call or any indication of a problem has been reported as far as I am aware.

Hopefully the facts will be found in due course.
DXing 25 Mar 22, 01:47Post
Chinese authorities report recovering the cockpit voice recorder. Heavily damaged on the outside but evidently not so much on the inside. Hopefully at least the voice record is available. Chinese authorities also report 3 pilots on the aircraft. The 3rd was a new pilot riding observation to get some education on how the line works.
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miamiair (netAirspace FAA) 25 Mar 22, 15:46Post
Close to the Germanwings anniversary.
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halls120 (Plank Owner) 26 Mar 22, 09:15Post
I saw a photo of what looks like one of the winglets from the aircraft, story said it was recovered 6 miles from the crash site.
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darrenvox 26 Mar 22, 17:18Post
yes it could be intentional...
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JLAmber (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 17 May 22, 18:23Post
Data from the aircraft's FDR show the nosedive was caused by manual control inputs. At least one of the flight crew appears to have deliberately crashed the aircraft:

https://www.airlive.net/breaking-black- ... g-737-800/

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