JLAmber wrote:That's the impression I get from the various articles on the matter. The other possibility is that AB could use the situation to appeal for a bail-out/compensation and limp on for that bit longer, which is no good for anybody, particularly (as Zak points out) the German taxpayer.
JLAmber wrote:If/when AB do succumb to their troubles, what sort of hole will that leave in BER as a viable airport in world terms? AB seem to have an awful lot of routes due to fly from BER, and losing them looks like it would leave substantial gaps in services from the airport.
There was recently a report in the Tagesthemen on the subject, how politicians screw up major projects titled "Wie Politiker Großprojekte in den Sand setzen".Zak wrote:Thorben wrote:the politicians overseeing it certainly have neither the education, nor the experience, nor the general management skills for their jobs as board members
That is a general problem with major public construction projects these days.
The projects are usually ambitious - BER airport, Hamburg's Elbphilharmonie, Stuttgart 21. Politicians can't think small, they are keen on prestigious projects.
I believe the proper word in those cases is "fucked".Zak wrote:But one thing is always a given - in the end, the tax payer is screwed.
HT-ETNW wrote:So, this then gives the opportunity to hold another Meeting in Berlin in Summer 2013, spotting at both TXL and SXF.
HT-ETNW wrote:Digging up this thread, as a new date is announced: 27-OCT-2013 !
So, this then gives the opportunity to hold another Meeting in Berlin in Summer 2013, spotting at both TXL and SXF.
-HT
Zak wrote:HT-ETNW wrote:So, this then gives the opportunity to hold another Meeting in Berlin in Summer 2013, spotting at both TXL and SXF.
And I would not bet against another such meeting being possible in summer 2014 as well...
PlymSpotter wrote:I had a chat recently with someone working on the BER project. Apparently it's a total failure to integrate systems, meaning they have practically got to start from scratch with some software architecture. It seems to be a top down failure - everybody thought integrating with everything else was somebody else's problem.
PlymSpotter wrote:The new Doha airport has similar issues [...] total cost to rectify is supposedly over $1 billion.
Zak wrote:It's not often that I agree with the Green Party, especially not with Mr. Trittin. But I have to agree with him when he called Berlin's mayor and BER CEO Wowereit an "incompetent Bratwurst" last night...
halls120 wrote:So, has anyone lost their job over this massive F up?
Zak wrote:Not as BER mayor yet, but we will see about that.
GQfluffy wrote:Honestly though, this isn't just the incompetence of your politicians...this stems all the way down to the lowly drafter drawing up the plans the architects and engineers handed them.
GQfluffy wrote:And sometimes (probably more often than not) the lowest guy on the totem pole spots the issue but is afraid they'll be punished (I've been there and have done both; bring up the issue and ignore the issue) so they're put in a position that could delay things for months costing huge sums of money...
Unfortunately, going by the facts we have now - which we had to uncover arduously over the last months - the problems we are facing are severe - very, very severe. So severe, almost nightmarish, that we had to take the measures we took now (i.e. cancelling the plans to open the airport in October 2013).
We had to pull the ripcord. I just hope we didn't pull it too late.
Zak wrote:I can't say I envy that man for his job right now...
Zak wrote:Just like being appointed as captain of the Titanic, 10 minutes after it hit the iceberg...